What happens when a Stanford-trained doctor and a former food industry insider team up to challenge everything we think we know about health? Dr. Casey Means walked away from a career in surgery to revolutionize metabolic health, while her brother, Calley Means, went from consulting for Big Food and Pharma to exposing their deepest secrets. Together, they’re calling out the system’s failures—ultra-processed food, overmedication, and profit-driven healthcare—and offering a radical new vision for disease prevention.

In this episode, our AI hosts break down their provocative ideas, the science behind their claims, and the controversy they’ve stirred. Are they the heroes modern medicine needs, or just disruptors with an oversimplified message? Tune in to find out.

Disclaimer: This AI-generated and hosted podcast is created, managed, and edited by Dr. Chad Swanson. See chadswanson.com. He considers this an informal conversation with the world about health systems transformation. It should not be considered medical advice. While Dr. Swanson reviews and edits all of the text, given the nature of AI, there will be errors. Dr. Swanson welcomes questions, corrections, and criticisms. This is a learning journey, not a definitive source of information.