We are taking a journey to Central Europe to speak with Andre from The Wave of Things. Throughout our tour we'll be exploring the music and scene of central and eastern Europe, discussing the variation of subcultural expression from country to country and debate whether music can be objectively goth.

Our guest this episode is Andre of The Wave of Things and Deus Faust.

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Intro 00:00

Getting Into Goth 2:15

The Wave of Things 17:00

Darker in Central Europe 26:15

What is Goth 1:01:00

The Wave of the Future 1:16:16

Entangled and Embedded, Subcultural Music 1:27:00

References:
-Yugoslavia Post Punk
-The Meltdown of Russia's Music Scene
-Eurasian Coolness
-Soviet Post-Punk
-It's About Timber
-Russian Post Punk
-Zuvuki Mu
-Comfort the Disturbed
-Everywhere at the End of Time
-The Best
-Disintigration Loops

In this episode we are going to explore Goth's White Hegemony: Racism, Gatekeeping and Identity. We'll be looking at the ways the mechanisms of white supremacy show up in the goth scene, what we can do about it, and whether goth is a music based subculture.

Our guest this episode is Shonalika! You can find them on YouTube, in Powderpaint and Calendrical Rot.

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Getting Into Goth 00:00

Gendered Goth 8:30

Racialized Goth 12:30

The Audacity of Whiteness 34:45

Conservatism and Community Praxis 52:00

Is Goth a Music Based Subculture 1:09:30

Book Nerds 1:53:00

Outro 1:59:30

References:
-Skinheads Romantic Violence
-How to Fight Fascism
-Persistent Problem of Colorism
-Vampires and Whiteness
-Vampires of Color
-Cultural Contradictions in Neoliberalism
-Practice Theory
-Skin Bleaching
-Commitment Against Racism
-Black Activists to Follow
-Indigenous Activists to Follow
-Latinx Activists to Follow
-Asian Activists to Follow
-Black Skin vs. Pale Aesthetic
-I’m so Goth I Was Born Black
-San La Muerte Fest
-Goth So White
-Nazi Goths Fuck Off
-What Ends When Symbols Shatter
-Black History and America’s Gothic Soul
-Racial Doll Test
-Obscura Undead: Goth is Political
-Consumer Identity
-Meritocracy
-Neo-liberal Wokeism
-Colorism in Goth
-Extreme Politics in Underground Music
-Recognizing Race Reductionism

We compare goth aesthetics and ideals of goth communities across America, discuss what makes goth music goth, and swap clubbing stories.

Our guests are Ophelia and Viktor

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Intro 00:00
Getting into Goth 2:00
Comparing Goth Clubs 10:30
Alone Together: Goth DJs 36:00
What is Goth Music 1:01:30
Socializing with Goths 1:22:20
Live Music 1:33:40
Esotericism 1:47:40
Cybergoth 1:54:30
Outro 2:01:00
Please Help 2:02:40
Post Show Musings 2:05:13
Coming up 2:23:00