Hello listeners! We're sharing another FW podcast we think you'll love called Too Much. In it, FW founder and managing director Helen McCabe speaks to high-achieving women who overcame suffocating stereotypes, bucked trends, disrupted systems and refused to quit. Women who built careers by forging their own paths.

Does cockiness make you better at your job? That's what former Matildas star Lydia Williams was told when she rose to the sport's top flight. Williams joins McCabe to reflect on her journey as a Matilda and how she pushed past being labelled “too humble” at key points in her career.

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Labor MP Linda Burney is a fascinating blend of realist and optimist.

She’s pragmatic but she dares to dream of a kinder, fairer Australia.

In this episode, Leila McKinnon speaks to the Shadow Minister about her past and her dreams for the future – for herself, and for the nation.

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1. Host @leilamckinnon

2. Guest: Linda Burney, Shadow Minister for Families and Social Services and for Preventing Family Violence

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We are thrilled to bring you a very special episode with our boss lady in chief, Helen McCabe.

Helen speaks with Leila about being an "extreme introvert" in the public eye, how getting sacked in her twenties put her on a path to success, what's changed for women and what remains the same.

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• Guest @mccabehelen

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