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  • S3E4 - Heidi & Guy Burgess - Part 2

    S3E4 - Heidi & Guy Burgess - Part 2
    Feb 17 2025
    Part 2 of 2. Lamar and Tom talk with Heidi and Guy Burgess who have been life and professional partners for more than 50 years. They received their PhDs in sociology in the same year from the University of Colorado. In the late 1980s they received a grant from the Hewlett Foundation to start a conflict resolution "theory-building center" that is now known as the Conflict Information Consortium. In addition to directing the Consortium, both Guy and Heidi taught peace and conflict at the University of Colorado, the University of Denver, and in George Mason University's School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution, now the Carter School for Peace and Conflict Resolution. As Co-Directors of the Consortium, the Burgesses have been able to self-design rather unusual careers which combined theory building, practice, and teaching using theories and strategies from many disciplines, not just sociology. Drawn to complexity and systems theory very early by Kenneth Boulding's work, they almost always tried to focus on the big picture, focusing particularly on difficult conflict problems from international conflicts to environmental and public policy conflicts in the United States. In the early 1990's they also began focusing on the use of computer-based information systems and the Internet to disseminate conflict knowledge to as many people as possible. This resulted in the development of two extremely large knowledge bases: CRInfo (The Conflict Resolution Information Source) and the follow-on Intractable Conflict Knowledge Base Project which produced a second very large online knowledge base called Beyond Intractability (BI) The Burgess' current focus is on hyper-polarization and constructive approaches to conflict. They have a free Substack newsletter that focuses on those topics, and will soon be releasing (on BI) a free guide (i.e., growing online book) on those topics. To Learn more: Beyond Intractability (BI) Website: https://www.beyondintractability.org/ BI Newsletter: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/ The US in 2024: An Election that Worked and a Democracy that Doesn’t by Heidi and Guy Burgess: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/p/newsletter-306 "Massively Parallel Problem Solving and Democracy Building: An Ongoing Response to the Threats to Democracy in the U.S": (https://toda.org/policy-briefs-and-resources/policy-briefs/report-200-full-text.html) The Perception Gap: https://perceptiongap.us/ BeHumankind at Really Useful Change: https://www.reallyusefulchange.com/ Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: February 17, 2025
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    1 h et 9 min
  • SE3E3 - Guy & Heidi Burgess - Part 1

    SE3E3 - Guy & Heidi Burgess - Part 1
    Feb 3 2025
    Part 1 of 2. Lamar and Tom talk with Heidi and Guy Burgess who have been life and professional partners for more than 50 years. They received their PhDs in sociology in the same year from the University of Colorado. In the late 1980s they received a grant from the Hewlett Foundation to start a conflict resolution "theory-building center" that is now known as the Conflict Information Consortium. In addition to directing the Consortium, both Guy and Heidi taught peace and conflict at the University of Colorado, the University of Denver, and in George Mason University's School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution, now the Carter School for Peace and Conflict Resolution. As Co-Directors of the Consortium, the Burgesses have been able to self-design rather unusual careers which combined theory building, practice, and teaching using theories and strategies from many disciplines, not just sociology. Drawn to complexity and systems theory very early by Kenneth Boulding's work, they almost always tried to focus on the big picture, focusing particularly on difficult conflict problems from international conflicts to environmental and public policy conflicts in the United States. In the early 1990's they also began focusing on the use of computer-based information systems and the Internet to disseminate conflict knowledge to as many people as possible. This resulted in the development of two extremely large knowledge bases: CRInfo (The Conflict Resolution Information Source) and the follow-on Intractable Conflict Knowledge Base Project which produced a second very large online knowledge base called Beyond Intractability (BI) The Burgess' current focus is on hyper-polarization and constructive approaches to conflict. They have a free Substack newsletter that focuses on those topics, and will soon be releasing (on BI) a free guide (i.e., growing online book) on those topics. To Learn more: Beyond Intractability (BI) Website: https://www.beyondintractability.org/ BI Newsletter: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/ The US in 2024: An Election that Worked and a Democracy that Doesn’t by Heidi and Guy Burgess: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/p/newsletter-306 "Massively Parallel Problem Solving and Democracy Building: An Ongoing Response to the Threats to Democracy in the U.S": (https://toda.org/policy-briefs-and-resources/policy-briefs/report-200-full-text.html) The Perception Gap: https://perceptiongap.us/ BeHumankind at Really Useful Change: https://www.reallyusefulchange.com/ Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: February 3, 2025
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    1 h et 16 min
  • S3E2 - More Conversation on The Social Dilemma - Part 2

    S3E2 - More Conversation on The Social Dilemma - Part 2
    Jan 20 2025
    What is your relationship with social media? Do you love it? Do you hate it? Do you avoid it? What if there are good reasons to love it, hate it, and avoid it - all at once? In this podcast Lamar and Tom are joined by their friend, colleague, and charity culture catalyst Ed Shrager from London. They each had the assignment of watching the Netflix documentary/docudrama “The Social Dilemma” that provides an inside look at social media through the perspective of the people who developed it in the past…but now question its value. In this two-part podcast they discuss the film and its relevance. In this episode, Part 2, they will do a deeper dive in their discussion of the film focusing what it gets right, what it gets wrong, and the most critical takeaways each had from the film. In Part 1 they do their best movie critic impersonations by reviewing and rating the film. If you haven’t listened to or watched Part 1, we recommend you do that before diving into Part 2. Learn more: The Social Dilemma website: https://www.thesocialdilemma.com/ The Social Dilemma on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81254224 The Battle for Your Time: Exposing the Costs of Social Media (TED Talk by Dino Abrosi) - https://youtu.be/4TMPXK9tw5U From Perplexity: What are the reactions people have to the Netflix film The Social Dilemma? - https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-are-the-reactions-people-c8kgdjtBRnqSKNFWVzxTxQ Analysis of The Social Dilemma by Dr. Todd Grande: https://youtu.be/gxgJqDjAq74?si=YTPL8hEpVXB5RXY6 What The Social Dilemma Gets Wrong by Facebook: https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/What-The-Social-Dilemma-Gets-Wrong.pdf Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: January 20, 2025
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    45 min
  • S3E1 - Conversation on The Social Dilemma - Part 1

    S3E1 - Conversation on The Social Dilemma - Part 1
    Jan 6 2025
    What is your relationship with social media? Do you love it? Do you hate it? Do you avoid it? What if there are good reasons to love it, hate it, and avoid it - all at once? In this podcast Lamar and Tom are joined by their friend, colleague, and charity culture catalyst Ed Shrager from London. They each had the assignment of watching the Netflix documentary/docudrama “The Social Dilemma” that provides an inside look at social media through the perspective of the people who developed it in the past…but now question its value. In this two-part podcast they discuss the film and its relevance. In this Part 1 they do their best movie critic impersonations by reviewing and rating the film. In Part 2 they will do a deeper dive in their discussion of the film focusing what it gets right, what it gets wrong, and the most critical takeaways each had from the film. Learn more: The Social Dilemma website: https://www.thesocialdilemma.com/ The Social Dilemma on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81254224 The Battle for Your Time: Exposing the Costs of Social Media (TED Talk by Dino Abrosi) - https://youtu.be/4TMPXK9tw5U From Perplexity: What are the reactions people have to the Netflix film The Social Dilemma? - https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-are-the-reactions-people-c8kgdjtBRnqSKNFWVzxTxQ Analysis of The Social Dilemma by Dr. Todd Grande: https://youtu.be/gxgJqDjAq74?si=YTPL8hEpVXB5RXY6 What The Social Dilemma Gets Wrong by Facebook: https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/What-The-Social-Dilemma-Gets-Wrong.pdf Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. To contact us, send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Please email us at tom3rdSpace@gmail.com or lamar3rsSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: January 6, 2025
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    38 min
  • S2E21 - It's a Wrap! 2024 and Season 2

    S2E21 - It's a Wrap! 2024 and Season 2
    Dec 23 2024
    About this Episode It’s a wrap on Season 2 of Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom and on 2024. In this episode Lamar and Tom talk about holiday traditions and foods and they discuss their favorite Christmas movies. They take a few minutes to reflect on what they’ve learned doing the podcast in 2024 and what they would like to do in the future. They wander briefly into politics to discuss the most recent Congressional budget debacle. Finally, they remember the contributions of Tony Campolo to their lives, a minister and sociologist who passed away on November 19th. Learn more: Frederick, Maryland’s Sailing through the Winter Solstice by Color on the Creek, https://downtownfrederick.org/event/sailing-through-the-winter-solstice-by-color-on-the-creek/ December 2024 Budget Bill Debacle: https://apnews.com/article/congress-budget-trump-musk-johnson-5dc9fd8672f9807189032811d4ab0528 About Tony Campolo: https://www.eastern.edu/student-life/scholarship-cohorts/campolo-center-ministry/about-tony-campolo Article featuring a great quote by Tony Campolo: https://anabaptistworld.org/tony-campolo-sociologist-and-famed-red-letter-christian-has-died/ A Reasonable Faith by Tony Campolo: https://a.co/d/53SIJIO Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed. Original Publishing Date: December 23, 2024
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    49 min
  • S2E20 - Journalist Alex Bhattacharji

    S2E20 - Journalist Alex Bhattacharji
    Dec 9 2024
    Today Lamar and Tom welcome award winning journalist Alex Battacharji to Getting to 3rd Space. Alex is the author of ‘We Didn’t Know What Was Next. Nobody Tells You.’ on Inc.com published on December 2,2024. The article is about the mass shooting at Excel Industries eight years later. Excel is where Lamar was the head of human resources at the time of the shooting. Previously we have aired an interview with Lamar about his experience. As with those previous podcasts, we want to let people know that some of our discussion may include descriptions of violence. If this podcast is difficult for you to listen to, we invite you to skip ahead to parts of the conversation that are more comfortable for you. Meet Alex Bhattachargi Alex Bhattacharji is an award-winning journalist, editor, writer, and producer. In two decades as an editor, Alex led and launched culture-shaping publications (such as Conde Nast’s Details), worked with some of America’s leading writers, championed new voices, and was recognized with the National Magazine Award for General Excellence. As a writer, Alex has produced profiles, essays, and narrative features. His work has appeared in numerous publications, including Conde Nast Traveler, Details, Esquire, GQ, The Hollywood Reporter, Inc., InStyle, Los Angeles Magazine, The Los Angeles Times, Men’s Health, Men’s Journal, The New York Times, Rolling Stone, Town & Country, Travel + Leisure, Wired, and the Wall Street Journal Magazine. In 2024, Alex co-founded Feather Well Productions, which develops narrative audio, print, and film projects that originate in the non-fiction space but have the potential to go far beyond. A proud son of Flatbush, Alex followed the Dodgers’ path, leaving Brooklyn for Los Angeles’ East Side, where he resides with his wife and dog. To Learn More Learn more about Alex Battacharji at https://www.alexbhattacharji.com/ ‘We Didn’t Know What Was Next. Nobody Tells You.’ by Alex Bhattacharji. Inc.com. December 2, 2024 Lamar and Tom Discuss the Excel Shooting - Part 1 Lamar and Tom Discuss the Excel Shooting - Part 2 For more from Alex Battacharji see, Inside Sammy Davis Jr.’s Secret Satanic Past from the August 4, 2024 issue of Rolling Stone at https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/sammy-davis-jr-satanism-anton-lavey-1235070544/ Meet Lamar and Tom Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Contact Us Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com. Watch the Podcast Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Credits: Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Rothimages, and Cyberlink AI Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Rothimages, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com. Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
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    1 h et 21 min
  • S2E19 - Donald Trump's Cabinet Picks and Our Thanksgiving Special

    S2E19 - Donald Trump's Cabinet Picks and Our Thanksgiving Special
    Nov 25 2024

    During this past couple of weeks President-elect Donald Trump has been making nominations for his cabinet. In today’s podcast Lamar and Tom talk about a few of his nominations. Please note, though, that politics and news changes quickly and so did at least one of his nominees discussed in this podcast. By the time we posted this podcast to the internet about 4 days later, the nominee had withdrawn. That’s how things happen sometimes, and so we have to be prepared to swerve and then keep going. Also, this podcast is also a Thanksgiving Holiday Special for Lamar and Tom as they really talk turkey (with occasional bad puns). And, of course, they talk a bit of Hawkeye football and basketball.

    Learn more:

    Tracking Trump’s Cabinet and Staff Nominations

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/politics/trump-administration-cabinet-appointees.html

    Meet Lamar and Tom

    Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.

    Contact Us

    Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.

    Watch the Podcast

    Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.

    Credits:

    Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus

    Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI

    Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.

    Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

    For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.

    No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
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    55 min
  • S2E18 - The 2024 Presidential Election

    S2E18 - The 2024 Presidential Election
    Nov 11 2024

    The 2024 Presidential Election

    The 2024 Presidential Election is over. It’s been a long and eventful political season. In this episode Lamar and Tom discuss their thoughts on it.

    About This Episode

    They also talk about errant tumbleweeds, meteors (or possibly space junk), and upcoming podcasts.

    Please note: In the last few minutes of the podcast, a software issue caused our images to "flip" (change places) on the screen. You are not imagining it and it is nothing to be concerned about. It did not impact the flow of the podcast. We just didn't want you to think you were seeing things.

    Meet Lamar and Tom

    Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.

    Contact Us

    Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.

    Watch the Podcast

    Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.

    Credits:

    Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus

    Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI

    Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.

    Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

    For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.

    No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
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    1 h et 4 min