Bob Moesta, co-creator of the Jobs to Be Done framework, recently published a new book, Job Moves. Drawing from interviews with over 1,000 people about their career transitions, it offers a practical playbook for career development. In our conversation, we discuss:• The four different “quests” that drive career changes• Why job features (salary, title) matter less than experiences• How to identify what gives you energy vs. drains you• The power of taking a “jobcation”• A template for crafting your career story• Tips for hiring and retaining great talent• The importance of prototyping potential careers• Much more—Brought to you by:• Eppo—Run reliable, impactful experiments• Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security• OneSchema—Import CSV data 10x faster—Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-find-work-you-love-bob-moesta—Where to find Bob Moesta:• X: https://x.com/bmoesta• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobmoesta/• Website: https://www.jobmoves.com/• Podcast: https://pca.st/gg6goo1n• The Re-Wired Group: https://therewiredgroup.com/—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Bob's background(05:10) Bob’s new book, Job Moves(09:31) Job features vs. job experiences(11:16) Four reasons people leave jobs(17:20) Energy drivers and energy drains(31:05) Prototyping your next job(34:32) Pushes and pulls(40:01) Understanding that no job is perfect(43:18) Taking a jobcation(51:22) Finding the right next step(55:18) Navigating job applications and interviews(58:28) How to craft your career story(01:04:04) Strengths and weaknesses: leveraging your superpowers(01:06:21) Hiring and writing job descriptions(01:11:20) Self-awareness and founding a startup(01:21:24) Conclusion and final thoughts—Referenced:• The ultimate guide to JTBD | Bob Moesta (co-creator of the framework): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ultimate-guide-to-jtbd-bob-moesta• Ethan S. Bernstein on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethanbernstein/• National Geographic: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/• Radical Candor: From theory to practice with author Kim Scott: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/radical-candor-from-theory-to-practice• Building a long and meaningful career | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-a-long-and-meaningful-career• The Story Spine (also known as Pixar’s Story Structure): https://www.storyprompt.com/blog/the-story-spine-also-known-as-pixars-story-structure• Tobi Lütke on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tobiaslutke• Job Moves resources: https://www.jobmoves.com/resources• Why Employees Quit: https://hbr.org/2024/11/why-employees-quit—Recommended book:• Job Moves: 9 Steps for Making Progress in Your Career: https://www.amazon.com/Job-Moves-Making-Progress-Career/dp/0063283581—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.—Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. Get full access to Lenny's Newsletter at www.lennysnewsletter.com/subscribe
