New Kinship

Auteur(s): David Frank and TJ Espinoza
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  • Welcome to New Kinship, where we are exploring and renewing ideas of belonging, desire, and being a neighbor in the Kingdom of Jesus. Together we are pursuing the communion and shalom of the church and the world. Pull up a chair and join the conversation!

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  • #58 - The United Methodist Church Lifts Ban on Gay Marriage: Polity and Progress with Joe Meinholz (Part 1 of 2 on the UMC)
    Feb 12 2025
    The United Methodist Church (UMC) had a momentous global meeting last year (2024), with the major outcome of allowing—or at least not preventing or taking action against—performing same-sex marriages and ordaining non-celibate gay leaders in the church. Methodists around the world have WIDE disagreements on how they even interpret this outcome, much less what they should do about it.This conflict is as much about church unity and governance as it is about LGBTQ rights and people—but of course they’re wrapped up together. You might recognize yourself and your own Christian denomination in the UMC’s 40+ years of conversations on these topics. Church unity is hard, folks.Last year, we talked to two members of the UMC to hear their perspectives: a U.S.-based seminary student pursuing ordination with the UMC, and a bishop in UMC leadership in Liberia.This is Part 1 of 2. Part 2 can be found here: [link available Feb 19, 2025]It’s so important to take the time to listen to each other as we examine our own convictions. Please join us in listening with care for our Christian siblings around the world.About Our Guest:Joe Meinholz is currently a seminarian at Duke Divinity School pursuing ordination in the United Methodist Church. He grew up farming in Ho Chunk land (Southern Wisconsin) and is an aspiring community organizer, pastor, water protector, and lover of Jesus.—Note: This episode uses the terms “Side A” and “Side B” (and X, Y) as shorthand quite a bit. If you’re new to the conversation, you might find it helpful to check out episode #3, where we talk through the four “sides”: ⁠#3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality⁠—★ Timestamps00:00 #58 - The United Methodist Church Lifts Ban on Gay Marriage: Polity and Progress with Joe Meinholz (Part 1 of 2 on the UMC)01:32 Polity: How the United Methodist Church denomination governs itself08:38 1972-today: UMC's history of LGBT marriage and theology12:51 2019-today: Making paths for "disaffiliation"20:32 Rulings from the 2024 UMC general conference: A more neutral position?27:17 The Global Methodist Church": A new denomination of disaffiliated churches29:00 Moving toward regional meetings of equals36:19 The fruit of our united front: Must we align on social principles?40:51 If you were Methodist, would YOU have disaffiliated?51:19 What does "church unity" mean? Can we disagree on sexuality?57:17 Wrapping up, looking forward—★ Links and ReferencesThe Other Significant Others by Rhaina CohenA recent letter from the African Bishops: www.unitedmethodistbishops.org/newsdetail/africa-umc-bishops-statement-2024-18627021Comments from the Africa Initiative: peopleneedjesus.net/2024/05/24/africa-initiative-united-methodism-in-africa-is-not-for-sale-to-western-cultural-christianity/One author on “ubuntu”: https://um-insight.net/general-conference/a-way-forward/ubuntu/—★ Send us feedback, questions, comments, and support!Email: communionandshalom@gmail.com | Instagram: @newkinship | Substack: @newkinship | Patreon: @newkinship—★ CreditsCreators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza | Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson, carlswensonmusic.com | Podcast Manager: Elena F. | Graphic Designer: Gavin Popken, gavinpopkenart.com ★ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit newkinship.substack.com
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  • #57 - Theology of Sex and Ministry at Harvard, with Tyler Parker
    Jan 22 2025

    Tyler Parker weighs in on topics like bisexuality, Christianity at Harvard, liberation theology, and celibate partnerships. A valuable conversation… but that goes without saying. Join us!

    About Our Guest:

    Tyler Parker is a campus minister at Harvard College, where he studied government and filmmaking during his undergraduate studies. He is a follower of Jesus, is bisexual, and is filled with a deep passion for LGBTQ+ people to experience the lives of flourishing that are borne out of radical encounters with the love of Christ. He also helps lead a growing Revoice chapter in the Greater Boston area and serves on staff at Aletheia Church, Cambridge. He can be reached on Instagram: @tyler.parker.1671

    Note: This episode uses the terms “Side A” and “Side B” (and X, Y) as shorthand quite a bit. If you’re new to the conversation, you might find it helpful to check out episode #3, where we talk through the four “sides”: ⁠#3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality⁠

    Timestamps

    (00:00) #57 - Theology of Sex and Ministry at Harvard, with Tyler Parker

    (01:36) Doing Christian campus ministry at Harvard

    (10:20) Coming out (to myself and others) as bisexual

    (18:37) But what is "bisexuality"?

    (20:41) Why not side A? How did the early church read these passages?

    (33:15) Church silence around sexuality

    (38:55) Family conversations and celibacy

    (44:36) Ok, but: Celibate partnerships?

    (01:09:46) Can you "fall in love" without it turning to sexual attraction?

    (01:18:50) Having calm conversations about sexuality at Harvard

    (01:27:53) Future of the Side B movement?

    ★ Send us feedback, questions, comments, and support!

    Email: communionandshalom@gmail.com | Instagram: @newkinship | Substack: @newkinship | Patreon: @newkinship

    ★ Credits

    Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza | Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson, carlswensonmusic.com | Podcast Manager: Elena F. | Graphic Designer: Gavin Popken, gavinpopkenart.com ★



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    1 h et 36 min
  • #56 - Stephen Shim’s B-sian Story: Being Gay, Korean-Canadian, and a Side B Christian
    Jan 1 2025

    Note: This episode includes a brief mention of suicide and community response to it.

    As the child of a Korean pastor and raised in North America, Stephen Shim has been wrestling with coming to terms with being, in his words, “a minority of a minority of a minority”—a gay, Korean Christian. Stephen is a leader in the “B-sian” group—a community of Asian, Side B Christians that developed from the Revoice annual conference.

    Now in his late 30s, Stephen has continued to walk down the path of his life with a bit more peace and a bit less wrestling, while trying to love God and love others as best as he can. You can contact him on X/Twitter or Bluesky: skshim.bsky.social.

    Note: This episode uses the terms “Side A” and “Side B” (and X, Y) as shorthand quite a bit. If you’re new to the conversation, you might find it helpful to check out episode #3, where we talk through the four “sides”: ⁠#3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality⁠

    Timestamps

    (00:00) #56 - Stephen Shim's B-sian Story: Being Gay, Korean-Canadian, and a Side B Christian

    (02:11) Growing up: Dad was a pastor, Mom was often sick

    (20:47) "Are you gay? Or are you Asian?"

    (42:28) Talking to my father about sexuality

    (53:28) Why side B? Reading scripture literally, familial obligations

    (56:51) Finding Side B through Revoice: "I do not like new things"

    (01:04:54) The B-sian Origin Story

    (01:20:59) "Why does this guy keep talking about race?"

    (01:26:25) How are multicultural spaces supportive, or not?

    (01:32:45) How can people connect with you?

    ★ Send us feedback, questions, comments, and support!

    Email: communionandshalom@gmail.com | Instagram: @newkinship | Substack: @newkinship | Patreon: @newkinship

    ★ Credits

    Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza | Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson, carlswensonmusic.com | Podcast Manager: Elena F. | Graphic Designer: Gavin Popken, gavinpopkenart.com ★



    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit newkinship.substack.com
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    1 h et 35 min

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