"I literally had to build Michael away from myself. I created an image in my mind of a separate human being, and I put on that image my history, my thoughts, all of my beliefs and my choices. And then I asked myself: how do I feel about that person? And I honestly, I like that person." — Michael Chaleff
Michael Chaleff has been a naval officer, a federal trial attorney, a professional magician, a mentalist, and a TEDx speaker. That breadth is not accidental, and in this conversation he explains both the light and the dark side of it with unusual candor.
What magicians know, he says, comes down to two things: radical clarity about what you want, and a genuine willingness to inhabit the perspective of the person in front of you. From those two foundations, Michael helps funeral directors, physical therapists and sales professionals tell a single short story, 60 to 90 seconds, that moves people to act more reliably than any argument ever could.
But the conversation goes deeper than craft. Michael describes the years of therapy that followed a breakup at 50, when he finally saw what he had been hiding from. He gave up magic. He gave up needing to be the funniest, most interesting person in the room. And in doing so, he found the relationship and the life he had never believed were possible for him. Raymond, characteristically, recognizes himself in the story, and says so.
Learn more and connect:
Michael Chaleff, Practical Influence: https://www.practicalinfluence.com
Resources mentioned:
What Magicians Know About Mistakes That You Don't, Michael Chaleff at TEDxStanford: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_xGBcwez8
Respark Your Life Podcast: https://www.resparkyourlife.com
Raymond Aaron: https://www.aaron.com
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Raymond Aaron has shared his vision and wisdom on radio and television programs for over 40 years. He is the author of over 100 books, including Branding Small Business For Dummies, Double Your Income Doing What You Love, Canadian best-seller Chicken Soup for the Canadian Soul, and he co-authored the New York Times best-seller Chicken Soup for the Parent's Soul. Raymond's latest, co-authored book is The AI Millionaire's Path: Discover How ChatGPT-Written Books Become Bestsellers and How They Can Make You a Millionaire Author!
https://www.aaron.com
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