In this episode of the Gareth and Sam chat to Professor John Barry (Queen's University Belfast) to explore the complexities of loyalism in Northern Ireland. The conversation delves into the definitions of loyalism, the class dynamics within the community, and the cultural cringe experienced by loyalists. Barry emphasises the need for education and community engagement to foster a more expansive understanding of Britishness that incorporates elements of Irishness. The discussion also highlights generational shifts in loyalist identity and the importance of self-reflection and proactive change within the community. The lads explore the complexities of identity in Ireland, particularly focusing on the intersection of loyalism and Irishness. Barry emphasises the need for stronger female voices within loyalist politics and discusses the cultural expressions that can empower communities. The dialogue also addresses the challenges of envisioning a New Ireland, the importance of democratic discourse, and the rising far-right sentiments in both Northern Ireland and the Republic. He calls for a more inclusive and sensitive engagement with loyalist communities and highlights the necessity of addressing socio-economic issues like housing.

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In this episode Sam and Gareth chat to Beano Niblock, an ex-loyalist prisoner, poet, and playwright. They discuss Beano's journey in writing his new play, 'The Man Who Swallowed A Dictionary,' and reflect on his past experiences, including his friendship with late PUP leader David Ervine and the impact of political events on their lives. The conversation delves into themes of loyalty, personal growth, and the complexities of life in prison, highlighting the importance of storytelling in understanding their shared history. In this conversation, the lads reflect on the legacy of David Ervine, discussing his achievements and the complexities of his character. The dialogue explores the importance of storytelling within the loyalist community, emphasising the need to preserve personal histories that are at risk of being lost. Challenges in sharing these narratives are highlighted, particularly the fear of public scrutiny. The conversation also delves into the political landscape of loyalism, addressing the stigma associated with past actions and the reluctance of individuals to engage in political discourse. Finally, the discussion touches on the upcoming play that aims to engage the community and bring these stories to the forefront.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Beano Niblock and His Journey 03:02 The Evolution of Beano's Playwriting Career 06:00 Exploring the Themes of 'Reason to Believe' and 'Tartan' 09:08 The Impact of Political Events on Personal Choices 12:03 Meeting David Ervine: Early Connections 14:59 Life in Prison: Dynamics and Relationships 17:54 David Ervine's Influence and Character 20:58 Reflections on Friendship and Support 23:49 Legacy and Memories of David Ervine 29:10 Reflections on David Ervine's Legacy 34:23 The Importance of Storytelling in Loyalism 39:21 Challenges in Sharing Personal Histories 45:59 The Political Landscape of Loyalism 54:18 Upcoming Play and Community Engagement

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In this episode Gareth and Sam pay tribute to the late Baroness May Blood and discuss the importance of women's voices in politics, particularly from the Protestant, Unionist, and Loyalist communities. They are joined by Danielle Roberts, who shares her insights on the barriers women face in political participation, the intersection of feminism and unionism, and the impact of ethno-nationalism on gender roles. The conversation also highlights the legacy of the Women's Coalition and strategies for increasing women's representation in politics.

Chapters

00:00 Tribute to Baroness May Blood 03:55 Introduction to Danielle Roberts and Her Work 04:25 Barriers to Women's Political Participation 10:34 Feminism and Unionism: A Personal Journey 18:22 The Impact of Ethno-Nationalism on Gender Roles 26:01 The Role of Women in the Peace Process 30:23 The Legacy of the Women's Coalition 35:07 Strategies for Increasing Women's Political Representation

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