CNN Michael Smerconish shares his take on the contentions Oval Office showdown between President Trump, Vice-President JD Vance, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Then, Admiral James Stavridis joins Smerconish to explain how Ukraine can move forward without U.S. support. Later, a former Zelensky Cabinet Member says he believes the shouting match inside the Oval Office was triggered by a moment lost in translation that could have been avoided. After that, Michael Peterson, the chairman and CEO of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, explains the main drivers that will help tackle the national debt. Finally, Erin Murphy, an NYU Law Professor and forensic DNA expert, explains the legal and ethical challenges behind law enforcement using genealogy databases for forensic investigations like the Idaho murder trial. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices