Pepe talks with Ping Lieu who spent 13 years in prison for discussing a potential crime he never actually carried out. This is an older but unreleased episode Pepe recorded while he was fighting his own case and preparing to enter prison himself.
- What led Ping to serve 13 years in prison
- What it was like for Ping to receive his sentence
- The hardest moment of Ping's life & a moment of relief
- Crying & the emotional tension it let loose
- The different security levels in prison
- The hardest aspect of being in prison
- Useful skills learned in prison
- Benefits & challenges of being Asian in prison
- What Ping would've done differently in prison
- Struggles after release
- What Ping started doing after release
- Advice for people potentially facing incarceration
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