Among the things CEOs, CFOs and other c-suite executives without marketing experience tend not to understand is the relationship between, what Les Binet and Peter Field, have termed the long and short of it...and how what businesses do to drive one does to effect the other——for good or ill.

So, in this episode, Seth speaks with serial entrepreneur and media executive Joe Marchese, not just because he’s a widely recognized leader in the media and technology industries but because of his CEO experience, his deep understanding of marketing and the Attention Economy, and his insights into how the long and short of it interact.

Joe is the co-founder and General Partner at both Human Ventures, and at Casa Komos Brands Group (CKBG), where he serves as co-CEO. He also leads Human.AI, the venture’s dedicated studio exploring the potential for AI to reshape the attention economy.

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In thinking about how too many CEOs don’t understand that there are fundamentally different types of CMOs, marketers and marketing, Seth speaks with Dara Treseder, the Chief Marketing Officer at Autodesk, about where B2B marketing is the same as—and different than—B2C marketing.

At Autodesk, a leading technology & software company, Dara oversees the worldwide marketing, brand, communications, demand generation, e-commerce, and education business teams.

Show Notes:

At 16:33 I get the name of the author of How Brands Grow wrong, crediting Les Binet when this classic book is in fact written by Byron Sharp. Les, along with Peter Field, is the author of among other equally important books, 'The Long and Short of It'

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There was a time when—in a predominantly CPG world—product and brand were inextricably linked parts of the marketer’s remit, but now—in a tech driven world—they’ve become increasingly separated organizationally. Engineers and product developers here—marketers over there.

In this episode Seth speaks with Lorraine Twohill, the long-time CMO at Google, someone who understands product marketing, arguably as well as anyone ever, and better than almost anyone ever. As Google’s CMO, Lorraine oversees a global team responsible for telling the story of Google’s brand and bringing to life how its many tools—products and services both—help millions of businesses grow. Her teams oversee global marketing for some of the most used brands in the world including, Google Search, Android, Pixel, YouTube, Google Cloud, and the company’s expanding suite of AI tools.

Show Notes:

At 9:30, I credit Bill Bernbach with the quote “Within every brand is a product, but not every product is a brand”...when in fact it was David Ogilvy who said it. Apologies to both.

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