The scope, scale and timeline of what California is trying to do with CalAIM is truly breathtaking. Two years after the launch of the ambitious program, which offers integrated medical and social care for California's 15 million Medicaid members, Dr. Palav Babaria joins us to discuss how it’s going and what comes next. Dr. Babaria is a primary care physician who leads quality and population health management for California’s Medicaid program, Medi-Cal.

We discuss:

• Which community supports are used most, or least?
• One of the big learnings from CalAIM: the enhanced care management models that work for adults dont work for children
• How Medi-Cal is leveraging health plans as the organizers of social care because that’s where the members are
• The soon-to-be-released population health management service will address two big issues: standardized and equitable approaches to identifying high risk members and integrating state level benefits data, like for WIC

Palav reminds us that CalAIM was built through listening:

“Not everyone may know this, but CalAIM was generated from a statewide listening tour. Our previous state Medicaid director went around the state and literally asked communities… rooms full of plans, members, providers, what do you need from Medi-Cal that isn't working today? [The] smorgasbord of recommendations is what turned into CalAIM … Listening to the community and responding to the community's needs is in the core DNA of this program.”

Relevant Links

• Listen to our related episode “Reflecting on Year One of CalAIM with Jacey Cooper”
• CalAIM dashboard
• Population health management policy guide
• California and other states require managed care plans to reinvest in local communities
• NY waiver summary

About Our Guest

Dr. Palav Babaria was appointed Chief Quality Officer and Deputy Director of Quality and Population Health Management of the California Department of Health Care Services beginning in March 2021. She was formerly the Chief Administrative Officer of Ambulatory Services at Alameda Health System. In that capacity, she operationally and clinically oversaw 26 specialty clinics, four large primary care FQHCs, specialty and integrated behavioral health, and is responsible for all outpatient value-based payment programs. Prior to that role, she served as Medical Director of K6 Adult Medicine Clinic. She also has over a decade of global health experience and her work has been published in the New England Journal of Medicine, Academic Medicine, Social Science & Medicine, L.A. Times, and New York Times. Her areas of interest include ambulatory transformation in resource-limited settings, shifting to value-based care, and issues of gender in medicine. Babaria received her bachelor’s from Harvard College, as well as her MD and Masters in Health Science from Yale...

To achieve whole person care, we can try layering new social services on top of medical care. But Dr. Rishi Manchanda believes we should move further upstream and ask, what will it take to actually improve health in communities? From founding Rx the Vote to HealthBegins, Rishi is committed to building community social capital in America.

We discuss:

• Why he created HealthBegins, which is now halfway to its goal of transforming equity in 250 communities by 2025
• How California is making practice transformation a foundation of whole person care
• Rx the Vote and the important role of health organizations in voter engagement
• Kaiser Permanente's health, housing and justice initiative

Rishi thinks all public health students should study and know how to shift the political determinants of health:

“I think we can recognize there's ways to… get the dollars out the door, get the services out the door, get the access that we need while [also building] local governance. And I think that's what I see as a really interesting opportunity for us in California… There are opportunities here for public health schools, including Berkeley, to [help] public health students… understand the political determinants of health and then understand their role [to]... address them and improve them.”

Relevant Links

HealthBegins website

Rishi’s book The Upstream Doctors

Rishi's TEDx Talk: "What Makes Us Get Sick? Look Upstream."

New collaborative community health planning model in California

Policy requiring California Medicaid health plans to invest 5-7.5% of profits into local communities

California Medicaid investments in practice transformation

Kaiser Permanente's health, housing and justice initiative

Oregon CCO model

An interview with Rishi Manchanda

About Our Guest

Dr. Manchanda is Founder and President of HealthBegins, a social enterprise that provides training, clinic redesign, and technology to transform health care and the social determinants of health. Dr. Manchanda is a dual board-certified internist and pediatrician, a board member of the National Physicians Alliance, and a fellow in the California Health Care Foundation’s Healthcare Leadership Program. He is the lead physician for homeless primary care at the VA in Los Angeles, where he has built clinics for...

June 18th is “Maya Petersen” day in San Francisco, in honor of her work building disease models that guided the region through the early days of COVID and saved countless lives.

With projects spanning from developing HIV prevention strategies in East Africa to shaping new Medicaid models in California, the UC Berkeley epidemiologist is building a future where local public health leaders have the tools and data to ask and answer complex policy decisions in real time. Now that’s a world I want to live in.

We discuss:

• How much better our pandemic response would have been if Public Health had access to integrated and linked data
• Her work to bring sophisticated data tools to the point of decision in East Africa
• How California is building population management infrastructure

San Francisco’s Director of Health, Grant Colfax, taught her an important lesson about showing up and helping:

“I remember… saying, ‘You know what? You really need to find somebody who's an expert in this, I'm not an expert in this.’ And he said, ‘Okay, Maya, but if you're gonna find me someone it needs to be in the next 24 hours, because I need help.’ And it was just a reminder that, you know, you're not always going to be an expert, sometimes you just need to show up, do your best… be clear about your uncertainty and communicate well, and that can be… a big service”

Relevant Links

Local Epidemic Modeling for the San Francisco Department of Public Health

San Francisco’s COVID strategy

Multi-sectorial Approach to HIV in East Africa

Maya Petersen Day in San Francisco

Maya’s UC Berkeley page

About Our Guest

Dr. Maya L. Petersen is Professor of Biostatistics and Epidemiology at the University of California, Berkeley. Dr. Petersen’s methodological research focuses on the development and application of novel causal inference methods to problems in health, with an emphasis on longitudinal data and adaptive treatment strategies (dynamic regimes), machine learning methods, adaptive designs, and study design and analytic strategies for cluster randomized trials. She is a Founding Editor of the Journal of Causal Inference and serves on the editorial board of Epidemiology. Her applied work focuses on developing and evaluating improved HIV prevention and care strategies. She currently serves as co-PI (with Dr. Diane Havlir and Dr. Moses Kamya) for the Sustainable East Africa Research in Community Health consortium, and as co-PI (with Dr. Elvin Geng) for the ADAPT-R study (a sequential multiple assignment randomized trial of behavioral interventions to optimize retention in HIV care).

Source: https://publichealth.berkeley.edu/people/maya-petersen

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