In this interview, we take a deep dive with Karl Vaters, a seasoned pastor and author, as he challenges the conventional obsession with church size. For over 40 years, Carl has been an advocate for small churches and has worked to redefine success beyond just mere numbers.

Whether you're a church leader feeling the pressure to grow or just curious about the future of faith in America, I think you’ll find this interview fascinating, and Karl’s perspective refreshing.

More from Karl:
Visit his website at karlvaters.com to connect with Karl on all his socials
Grab his newest book, De-Sizing the Church, on Amazon and other retailers
Karl's podcast, The Church Lobby, is worth a listen!

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All of us know that our words have power but too many times we talk as if they don't. In this episode, Paul shares how one simple statement ignited passion and launched him into action. We're sure that you'll be encouraged, and will be challenged to consider the kindness - or lack of - in the words you speak to those around you.

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Does God ever seem distant when you ask him about things that really matter to you? Of course, he does. But the good news is that you aren't alone! Anyone who has ever spent any amount of time in prayer has felt that way, and often, the more desperate we are, the longer he seems to take.

In this episode, Paul walks us through Luke 18 and shows us what to do when we face the unopened door of unanswered prayer.

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