As the pandemic forced us to socialize at a distance, journalist and writer Kelsey McKinney was suddenly unable to collect the juicy stories she’d usually get over drinks with friends, so she started the popular Normal Gossip podcast… and it became an instant hit. After years of gossiping on the airwaves, McKinney joins Piya Chattopadhyay to discuss her new book, You Didn’t Hear this From Me, to break down the origins of gossip, the reason people everywhere love to to do it and the risks that come with spreading rumours if you don’t know where they came from.

Host Piya Chattopadhyay speaks to Rob Russo and Tonda MacCharles about how Canadian politics are being affected by Donald Trump's promised tariff threats, social justice activist Loretta Ross discusses her new book Calling In and her alternative ideas to cancel culture, we get the latest on developments around the Gaza ceasefire deal from The Economist's Gregg Carlstrom, and podcaster and writer Kelsey McKinney breaks down the origins of gossip, and why people everywhere love to do it.

As founder and director of the University of Toronto's Citizen Lab, Ron Deibert has spent his career tracking down and uncovering some of the world’s most clandestine cyber espionage operations. Now, the cybersecurity expert is pulling back the curtain on this shadowy world in his new book, Chasing Shadows. Deibert tells David Common how our democracies have become vulnerable to these threats as we become more reliant on technology – and what we need to do to protect them.