In this conversation, Marc Gafni, Ken Wilber, and Zak Stein discuss the relationship between desire and value. They explore different perspectives on desire, ranging from it being a degraded condition to it being a deed that can be controlled. They argue that desire is a condition and that clarifying desire is a way to honor its dignity. They also discuss the concept of value and its connection to prehension, emphasizing that value is both a product and a cause of prehension. They introduce the term 'Eros value' to describe the interplay between desire and value. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the need for a new language and grammar of value.
00:00 Exploring the Concept of Value
04:40 The Role of Holons and Desire
09:01 Chemistry as the Music of Desire
12:43 The Periodic Table of Desire Value
17:23 Understanding Will and Desire
23:00 The Dignity of Desire
31:26 Desire as a Condition
36:18 Value as a Product and Cause of Prehension
45:27 Introducing Eros Value
49:58 The Need for a New Language and Grammar of Value
