It’s late into week two of negotiations at COP29, and delegates still appear far from consensus. But plans are already underway for COP30. Next year’s climate conference is set to take place in the Belem, Brazil, a gateway to the Amazon rainforest. André Corrêa do Lago, Brazil’s Secretary for Climate, Energy and the Environment tells Akshat Rathi that although holding a global summit in Belem poses logistical challenges, the symbolism of the location holds “fantastic political power.”

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• Past episode about Azerbaijan’s challenges with hosting COP29 in Baku

• Past episode with Brazil's chief climate negotiator, Liliam Chagas, about the viability of a fossil fuel nonproliferation treaty

• Past episode with ExxonMobil CEO Darren Woods, about his decision to attend COP29

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At COP29 in Baku, Akshat Rathi is joined on stage at Bloomberg Green’s live event by Ali Zaidi, President Biden’s National Climate Advisor. Zaidi argues that it would be “economic malpractice” for the Trump administration to abandon the energy transition. Plus, veteran climate diplomat Jonathan Pershing explains why he believes global competition will result in an “acceleration of action” on green policy.

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• Past episode with Ali Zaidi on the momentum generated by passing the IRA
• Past episode with California Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna on what Trump’s election means for US climate policy
• Past episode with COP29 President Mukhtar Babayev on what would make this conference a success

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Climate leaders from around the world have convened in Baku, Azerbaijan for the UN’s biggest annual climate conference, COP29. And this year, it’s all about money.

Member nations are negotiating over how much responsibility rich countries have to finance the energy transitions of smaller economies. But larger global tensions loom over the proceedings — including the reelection of Donald Trump.

In this episode of the Big Take, Bloomberg’s senior climate reporter and host of Zero Akshat Rathi calls in from COP29 to update host Sarah Holder on the unfolding negotiations and how America’s new president-elect changes the conversation.

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