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In this episode, Dave and Trev sit down with rugby legend and business owner Rory Underwood.

From his illustrious sports career to his time in the Royal Air Force, Rory opens up about the challenges he’s faced in the business world as Founder and Managing Director of Wingman Limited.

He reflects on the struggles of navigating the 2008 financial crisis and the pandemic—when traditional banks offered no support—highlighting a reality many small business owners can relate to then...and now.

The conversation also turns to The Guild of Business Finance Professionals, with Rory passionately supporting its mission. And of course, rugby makes its way into the mix, leading to a friendly wager on the upcoming Six Nations clash between England and Scotland.

Tune in for a candid and compelling conversation with a true gentleman with a story to tell—while, for once, the hosts say very little!

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