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On Killing

The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society

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On Killing

Auteur(s): Dave Grossman
Narrateur(s): Dave Grossman
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The revised and updated edition of Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's modern classic about the psychology of combat.

"An illuminating account of how soldiers learn to kill and how they live with the experiences of having killed." —Washington Post

The twentieth century, with its bloody world wars, revolutions, and genocides accounting for hundreds of millions dead, would seem to prove that human beings are incredibly vicious predators and that killing is as natural as eating. But Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman, a psychologist and U.S. Army Ranger, demonstrates this is not the case. The good news, according to Grossman—drawing on dozens of interviews, first-person reports, and historic studies of combat, ranging from Frederick the Great's battles in the eighteenth century through Vietnam—is that the vast majority of soldiers are loath to kill. In World War II, for instance, only 15 to 25 percent of combat infantry were willing to fire their rifles.

The provocative news is that modern armies, using Pavlovian and operant conditioning, have learned how to overcome this reluctance. In Korea about 50 percent of combat infantry were willing to shoot, and in Vietnam the figure rose to over 90 percent. The bad news is that by conditioning soldiers to overcome their instinctive loathing of killing, we have drastically increased post-combat stress—witness the devastated psychological state of our Vietnam vets as compared with those from earlier wars. And the truly terrible news is that contemporary civilian society, particularly the media, replicates the army's conditioning techniques and—according to Grossman's controversial thesis—is responsible for our rising rates of murder and violence, particularly among the young.

In the explosive last section of the book, he argues that high-body-count movies, television violence (both news and entertainment), and interactive point-and-shoot video games are dangerously similar to the training programs that dehumanize the enemy, desensitize soldiers to the psychological ramifications of killing, and make pulling the trigger an automatic response.

Criminologie Guerres et conflits Militaire Psychologie Psychologie et santé mentale Science militaire Sciences sociales Violence dans la société Inspirant Guerre Santé mentale Soldat Crime

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Well written so that any person can understand even with it’s deep dives into psychology.

Everyone should read!

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Causes a bit of soul searching afterwards and personal reflection of how you feel afterward. as part of a younger generation of Canadians I feel like opinions of yes obviously war and violence is bad but in many circumstances it is strangely romanticized in media and in my own circles of tabletop wargaming as we are quite removed from the reality of the impact and circumstances that happen with the things that are often glorified in the wrong way. And having not lived through Vietnam era war nor understanding the political climate and how returning veterans were treated I was quite appalled by the behaviour cited in the book and has caused some introspective thoughts as to how I would personally treat those individuals. As well as to try instill the values to my young son that I would be proud to share and encourage.

excellent read!!

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I really enjoyed this audiobook. It was incredibly informative and speaks many truths about the topic of killing in war - a topic that is considered taboo and largely hidden away from the general public. Dave Grossman weaves a compelling narrative together through the use of first-hand accounts, rigorous research into the psychology of killing among combat soldiers, and his vast knowledge of the military and military history. Additionally, Grossman's rhythm, pace, and tone made for a great listening experience, and I think he was a perfect fit for the role.

Informative and great narration!

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I am glad I finally took the time to listen to this. I am now going to check out On Combat.

I waited years to listen to this.

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True wisdom borne of true experience, Grossman gets to the heart of the rituals and psychological dynamics of killing. What it does to the killer, his community, his sense of honour and sense of self. This is not a subject we as a society should ignore, if we are to continue sending troops into the field, cops into dangerous situations, and emotionally disturbed young men into the streets.

Grossman tells us about parades and medals, how they tie back to cleansing rituals, and how that system allows us, as a society to hold contradictory ideas about killing. He reminds us that war is as old as civilization, and peels back the blanket of war propaganda, also as old as civilization, just enough to show us how necessary it is.

mesmerizing

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