Our guest for this episode is the amazing Caro Tasker. We cover a huge range of topics, including baby loss, raising autistic kids, and how trauma can help you discover who you are.

There's also some much less serious nonsense. Why doesn't anyone use the word git any more? Is being married to a famous rugby player like being in Footballers Wives, only with different shaped balls? What was it like to be a guest at Harry and Meghan's wedding, and what's the one sentence George Clooney said to Caro?

Ellie and Caro are co-hosting the new Borne Podcast, so we chat about that, and the amazing research the charity is doing into preventing premature birth. We sing the praises of Professor Mark Johnson and his Justice League of Fannies (not his terminology.) Caro discusses the amazing gift the prof gave her, and Ellie talks about the weight he took off her shoulders.

You can follow Caro on Insta @spikey, and find The Borne Podcast wherever you found this one.

This episode is dedicated to Freddie, with love.

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