In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve is joined by returning guest Sándor Incze, CISO at CM.com.

In part two of his interview, Sándor shares his strategies for boosting team productivity. As a long-time security leader, Sándor understands how to get the best out of his team. Listen to the episode to learn more about the difference between nervousness and excitement, the benefits of his CM model, and how running a cyber security staff is like soccer.

Listen to Steve and Sándor discuss how software development is like an F1 race and how to make a candidate confident during an interview:

In the Interview (1:33)

Sándor and Steve discuss high-stakes, stressful job interviews and how they can make candidates nervous. Although some security professionals are proud to make someone fumble during the interview process, Sándor and Steve share how to bring out the best version of someone to see if they are the right fit.

CM Squared (8:56)

Sándor shares the CM (or CM Squared) Model, a document he uses when auditing different companies' security systems to find their faults. With this model, Sándor can simplify technologies for business leaders and enhance their protections.

Like an F1 Race (15:30)

Like F1 racing, Sándor believes software development is a team effort. To help emphasize this metaphor, Sándor explains how different members of security teams mirror the roles of a racing crew.

Team Strategies (19:49)

When Sándor evaluates his role as a leader, he thinks of his staff as a soccer team. His team needs to score “goals,” and as their “coach,” it is his job to guide them.

He also shares his motto, “Do something you like, do something you’re good at, and contribute.”

The New CISO (27:12)

To Sándor, being a new CISO means “keep it simple.”

Making things too complicated does not stop cyber crimes. However, learning to talk to each other does.

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