My guests this week are Ayo Sopeju and Tondé Katiyo.
They help me get into the issue that is top of mind for so many people around the world - race and diversity.
Does the climbing community have problems surrounding race that need to be fixed? Can we separate climbing from society as a whole? Do we need to create change?
Please join me in a conversation that is not always easy to have, but must be carried on in order to continue to bring awareness and ultimately, positive growth.