In this captivating episode, we delve into the intricacies of democratic innovation with Claudia Chwalisz, founder and CEO of Democracy Next. Claudia's organization is pioneering a global platform aimed at transforming governance by incorporating principles of sortition and deliberation, not just in government, but across various institutions like schools, universities, and workplaces.

We discuss the importance of moving away from the oversimplification of complex issues, a prevalent problem in current democratic systems. She explains how creating deliberative spaces, such as citizens' assemblies, allows for a deeper engagement with complexity.

One of the key highlights is the role of face-to-face interactions in these deliberative processes. She argues that while technology can enhance these processes, it cannot replace the depth of in-person engagement.

In discussing the evolution of democracy, Claudia touches on historical perspectives and the need for continuous experimentation and innovation in governance. In fact societies have always experimented with different forms of governance, challenging the notion of a static, inevitable democratic system.

We also touched on the concept of social acceleration, as theorized by Hartmut Rosa. She believes that creating intentional spaces for deliberation can help address feelings of alienation and disconnection, ultimately leading to a more resonant and cohesive society.

Join us for this enlightening conversation that challenges conventional views on democracy and offers a fresh perspective on how we can create a more inclusive and effective system of governance.

References

The Dawn of Everything - David Graeber and David Wengrow

Social Acceleration: A New Theory of Modernity -Hartmut Rosa

Resonance: A Sociology of Our Relationship to the World - Harmut Rosa

In this thought-provoking episode, we venture beyond the typical paths of our podcast with Aki Jarvinen, a technologist and designer who brings a unique perspective to the intersection of technology, ethics, philosophy and spirituality. Aki's rich background spans game design, interactive media, and immersive technologies, and he shares his journey from Finland to the UK, weaving in his philosophical musings along the way.

Aki introduces his newsletter, "Unexamined Technologies," inspired by Socratic philosophy, and discusses the importance of examining our relationship with technology. He highlights the concept of technological somnambulism, where society sleepwalks through technological advancements without fully understanding their implications.

The conversation delves into the magical qualities attributed to technology and the dichotomy between makers and users. Aki emphasizes the need for a more nuanced approach to technology development, one that incorporates ethical and spiritual considerations. He proposes the idea of "critical technical awakenings," where technologists are encouraged to integrate spiritual traditions and ethical frameworks into their work.

We explore the possibility of creating a new foundation for civilization that respects nature and acknowledges the limits of technology. Aki suggests that indigenous thinking and spiritual traditions can guide us in building technologies that promote human flourishing and harmony with the environment.

Throughout the episode, Aki underscores the importance of self-inquiry, introspection, and a deeper understanding of our inner selves. He argues that true happiness and peace arise from within and that our current technology-driven culture often distracts us from this truth.

The episode concludes with a discussion on the characteristics of leaders who can navigate the complexities of technology and ethics. Aki advocates for leaders who embrace systems thinking, resilience, and a compassionate approach to both people and the planet.

Join us for this enlightening conversation that challenges conventional views on technology and offers a fresh perspective on how we can create a more balanced and meaningful relationship with the digital world. So, let’s go!

References:

• Aki Järvinen - Unexamined Technology Newsletter
• Langdon Winner - Technology as forms of life
• Hans Jonas - The Imperative of Responsibility
• Jan M. McGilchrist - The Master and His Emissary
• Duogald Hine - At Work in the Ruins

This is a special episode, since it is Engines of Creation birthday, one year ago we started this interesting journey and I have to thank all of you for listening and supporting this project. Please don’t forget to like, follow and share our Episodes to help this podcast grow.

As you know innovation is a recurrent topic of this podcast, and to celebrate the birthday properly I decided to invite a real Chief Innovation Officer, so today we delve into the innovative mind of Karsten Lambai Lumbye Jensen, a seasoned pioneer in the realm of new business development and creation. Karsten kicks off the interview with an introduction to his intriguing career trajectory, highlighting his early adoption of groundbreaking technologies such as personal computers, 3D printing, and blockchain. His journey from consulting on PCs at the Danish Technological Institute to exploring the potential of water management as a critical resource showcases his ability to stay ahead of the curve

With Karsten we then address the unique challenges of fostering innovation within a utility company, a sector traditionally perceived as conservative due to the high stakes associated with water safety and quality. He shares his company's ambitious goal to slash the time from concept to market impact from the industry average of 20 years down to just five. This is achieved through a culture that encourages all employees to contribute ideas and a methodology that embraces co-creation with partners and suppliers

The conversation shifts to the concept of controlled chaos in innovation, where Karsten draws on the concept of "Walking in Wilderness" . He advocates for an environment of psychological safety and a balance between maintaining core operations and allowing the periphery of the organization to experiment and innovate. This approach ensures that new ideas can be safely tested and gradually integrated into the main business, fostering a dynamic yet stable environment for change

Karsten also shares his insights on leading innovation, emphasizing the importance of vision, enthusiasm, and the ability to adapt direction as necessary. He stresses the significance of assembling a team smarter than oneself, granting them autonomy, and resisting the urge to micromanage. This leadership style not only accelerates the innovation process but also captures unforeseen opportunities that arise along the way

Lastly, the interview touches on the broader implications of innovation for organizational change. Karsten introduces the concept of Teal Organisation and he discusses the need for agility in decision-making and the decentralization of authority to empower teams. By doing so, companies can become more responsive and evolve more effectively, ultimately leading to a culture that embraces complexity and thrives on continuous improvement.

Last time I promised you and Episode in February, and I just about missed the target, but I’m sure this insightful episode is worth the wait, as we delve into the multifaceted world of AI with an extraordinary guest, Ricardo Baeza-Yates, whose extensive background in computer science and research sets the stage for a deep dive into the ethical and practical dimensions of artificial intelligence. Among many things Ricardo has been VP of Research at Yahoo! Labs, he wrote one of the most influential books on Information Retrieval and he is now one of the most influential voices in the Responsible AI field.

Responsible AI is the central topic of this fascinating conversation, and Ricardo emphasizes its importance, advocating for systems that are not only legally and ethically sound but also beneficial to society at large. He underscores the necessity of possessing the right competencies to develop AI responsibly, including technical expertise and a thorough understanding of the domain in question. The conversation touches on the need for transparency, privacy, and non-discrimination in AI systems, highlighting the potential risks and the imperative to mitigate them.

The principles of "Legitimacy & Competence" are introduced as a cornerstone of responsible AI development. Ricardo argues that any AI application must demonstrate its societal legitimacy and the developers' competence to execute it effectively. This includes ensuring legal and ethical compliance, as well as having the necessary permissions and expertise to tackle the project.

We also discuss the critical role of quality management and risk assessment in AI, drawing attention to the real-world consequences of algorithmic decisions, including life-threatening scenarios. The conversation acknowledges the complexity of these systems and the importance of rigorous evaluation to prevent harm.

In particular we explore the concept of "Non-human Errors," where AI systems may inadvertently create categories or biases that do not exist in reality, such as racial classifications. This segues into a discussion on the risks posed by AI, where flawed systems can lead to significant political and social upheaval, as exemplified by the Dutch government's resignation over a scandal exacerbated by algorithmic decision-making.

Ricardo shares his vision of what an “AI Utopia" might look like, shaped by the positive impacts of AI, imagining a future where technology enhances human capabilities and addresses pressing global issues. The discussion invites listeners to consider whether the current direction of AI development aligns with these ideals.

Finally, the interview underscores the importance of taking a long-term view when considering the development and implementation of AI. It highlights the need for ongoing conversations and understanding about complex systems and their implications, ensuring that AI evolves in a way that is beneficial and sustainable for future generations.

This is my longest interview so far, but I’m sure it is worth it since it left me, and I’m sure it will leave you all, with a comprehensive understanding of the nuanced and critical considerations that must be addressed as we navigate the evolving landscape of artificial intelligence.

I’m so happy to come back with a great new conversation, in this episode we are going to meet Bruce Sinclair, a seasoned expert in digital transformation, who will unveil a wealth of knowledge and practical wisdom in navigating the complexities of modern business. With a background in IoT and private equity investments, Bruce brings a unique perspective to the discussion, emphasizing the pivotal role of business imagination in driving successful digital transformations. As the founder of several start-ups and writer of 2 books IoT-Inc. and Digital Operating Partner, Bruce has a wealth of experience guiding organizations through the intricacies of adopting emerging technologies, aligning diverse perspectives, and unlocking value in the digital landscape.

The interview begins with Bruce emphasizing the crucial role of business imagination in driving successful digital transformation. He stressed the need to understand the business value before delving into technology solutions. According to Bruce, technology should be viewed as an enabler to achieve business objectives. He discussed the challenges of gaining consensus within large organizations, highlighting the importance of aligning diverse perspectives toward a common goal. Bruce also pointed out how private equity firms, due to their focus on results, can act as effective catalysts for change.

The conversation then shifts towards the digital realm, with a focus on AI, data science, and analytics. Bruce emphasizes the importance of collecting and transforming data to create value. He introduces the concept of the digital twin, explaining how it serves as a virtual representation of a physical object or system. Digital twins contribute to understanding and optimizing value creation by providing insights into various aspects of a system.

Bruce elaborated on building simulation models, utility models, usability models, and monetization models. All these models help in creating an effective digital representation of a system, enabling better decision-making. The discussion extended to the challenges of implementing live digital twins and closing the loop for automated decision-making, predicting a future where augmentation of human capabilities would be more prevalent than full replacement.

The conversation also touches upon the alignment between technology and regulations. Bruce emphasizes the need for regulations to catch up with rapidly evolving technologies to foster innovation. He notes that regulations can sometimes lag behind technological advancements, potentially stifling innovation.

The interview concludes with highlighting the importance of imagination, stating that leaders with imagination can see beyond the presented challenges and envision innovative solutions.

Throughout the interview, Bruce Sinclair provides valuable insights into the intricacies of digital transformation. His emphasis on imagination, understanding business value, and leveraging technology as enablers reflected a holistic approach to successful leadership in the face of complexity.

References:

• IoT Inc.
• The Private Equity Digital Operating Partner

There are lot of interesting interviews lined up, but life gets in the way, so they will be released in 2024, please subscribe to the channel to get them as soon as they are published.

I thought it would be nice to drop some suggestions for reading and listenings during the Festive break.

Here some books:

• Incerto Series by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
• The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
• Antifragile: Things that Gain from Disorder by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
• The (Mis)Behaviour of Markets: A Fractal View of Risk, Ruin and Reward by Benoit Mandelbrot
• Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
• What's Our Problem?: A Self-Help Book for Societies by Tim Urban
• The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity by by David Graeber and David Wengrow
• Why Information Grows: The Evolution of Order, from Atoms to Economies by Cesar Hidalgo
• How to Measure Anything: Finding the Value of Intangibles in Business by Douglas W. Hubbard
• Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter

Here some podcasts and Newsletters:

• Wait but Why by Tim Urban
• Exponential View by Azeem Azhar
• Mindscape Podcast by Sean Carroll
• Lex Fridaman's Podcast

I hope you will enjoy them and let me know your thoughts at enginesofcreation@mastrodonato.co.

Please share this episode if you enjoyed it to let this podcast grow.

And now, for something completely different, as Monty Python would say, we are going to experiment with a different kind of episode: a book UnReview. I've been toying with this idea for quite some time. There are some books that have really helped me shape new ideas and better frame and link old ones. Although it would be great to discuss those books with the authors, I'm not always able to get in contact with them and have them on the podcast. On the other hand, simply giving you a simple review of the book would be redundant, as you can easily go to Amazon or Kobo and read it yourself.

But for me, reading a book is an experience, one that I try to convey every time I talk with an author. I believe it is valuable to discuss the content of these books and possibly convince you that they are worth your time to read. In fact, you should never be satisfied with what I'm going to say; reading the books is always the best choice.

We will start with a book that I recently read, which has been truly eye-opening for me. The book is called How Big Things Get Done by Bent Flyvbjerg and Dan Gardner. The subtitle of the book is "The Surprising Factors Behind Every Successful Project, from Home Renovations to Space Exploration". Interestingly enough, these factors were not that surprising to me, as I have encountered most of them in the different projects I have worked on throughout my career. However, seeing them all presented in this clear and concise way brought a completely different perspective, which was indeed surprising!

Furthermore, I am excited to delve deeper into Megaprojects, which are a great example of applied complexity. I plan to have some future guests who can provide insights on this topic, and this book serves as a perfect backdrop for those future conversations. Stay tuned to find out more, and if you haven't already, please hit the subscribe button now!

Instead of discussing the core takeaways or sharing my impressions about the book, I will start from the end - specifically, the final chapter known as the coda. I want to focus on the 11 heuristics for better project leadership that are presented in this chapter, and how they relate to concepts of complexity thinking and effective management in a broader sense. I encourage you to read the book to fully understand how the authors developed these heuristics, as that is the true strength of the book. By discussing the end, I aim to provide you with some food for thought without spoiling any major details.

References and Links

>> How Big Things Get Done by Professor Bent Flyvbjerg and Dan Gardner

>> Episode 4 | On Survival and Adaptation | Interview with Luca Dellanna

>> Ergodicity by Luca Dellanna

>> Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman