As well as writing the extremely influential “Shibari You Can Use: Japanese Rope Bondage and Erotic Macramé”, Lee Harrington has taught over 1100 classes. Fox and Mya asked him about his experiences as a rope educator, focusing particularly on on classes that explore tying non-cisgender men and women. In this interview, hear them discuss: • How he got into education - reluctantly! • Education and tips on being a better rope educator • His best and worst education moments • How he avoids rope educator burn out • Modelling vulnerability as a teacher • How he keeps his (extensive!) class list fresh for him and his students • Using rope to emphasise (and deemphasise) different parts of the body • How the rope community can do better for transgender people • What makes a good genderqueer tie • Ideas on how to use rope to masculinise and feminise • And more!