For the first time ever on the Famous & Gravy podcast, we’re featuring a dead celebrity who does NOT have New York Times obituary. We hope to change that. To the extent that Bill Hicks was famous, at least in America, his fame was posthumous. Michael Osborne and producer Jacob Weiss dive into the backstory and explore just how close he came to breakout success – and how his legacy still looms large more than 30 years later. Hicks got sober in 1988, he kept a fatal diagnosis from almost everyone who loved him, and managed to leave an indelible legacy despite dying at age 32

Famous & Gravy is a celebrity biography podcast that asks, "What does this celebrity's life story show us about ourselves?" If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like Episode 92 "Acerbic Comedian" (George Carlin) and Episode 19 "Singing Mailman" (John Prine).

LINKS:

Guardian obituary for Bill Hicks

Bill Hicks: Relentless on YouTube

"The Goat Boy Rises" by John Lahr, The New Yorker

American: The Bill Hicks Story (2009)

Bill Hicks: It's Just a Ride (1994)

Bill Hicks's mother watches his censored Letterman set, 2009 — unofficial upload, may get taken down; worth finding a CBS/Letterman-sourced version if one exists

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James Brown built funk by insisting on total control, over the band and over the beat itself. Michael Osborne and Nichelle Carr trace how that same instinct, born from an orphaned childhood with no stability, made James Brown one of the most sampled artists in history and also led to well-documented domestic abuse. He a complicated figure, to say the least. James Brown gave the civil rights movement new language with "Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud," helped keep Boston calm the night Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated, and became perhaps the most influential figure in twentieth century American music.

Famous & Gravy is a celebrity biography podcast that asks, "What does this celebrity's life story show us about ourselves?"

If you enjoyed this episode, you might also enjoy Episode 78 "Purple Reign" (Prince) and Episode 92 "Acerbic Comedian" (George Carlin).

Famous & Gravy is created by Amit Kapoor and Michael Osborne, and hosted by Michael Osborne. This episode features guest co-host Nichelle Carr.

LINKS:

• New York Times obituary for James Brown
• Mr. Dynamite: The Rise of James Brown trailer, the HBO documentary by Alex Gibney referenced in the episode
• Kill 'Em and Leave by James McBride
• The One: The Life and Music of James Brown by RJ Smith
• Life Lessons from Dead Celebrities on Substack (free), the Famous & Gravy Newsletter
• Dead or Alive quiz game
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Katharine Graham ran The Washington Post through Watergate and the Pentagon Papers, two of the biggest showdowns ever between the American press and the federal government. There's a case to be made that she was the most powerful woman of the 20th century.

Katharine Graham inherited The Washington Post only because her husband, Phil Graham, died by suicide in 1963. She had no experience running a newsroom or a company, and by her own account it never occurred to her to do anything but try. Michael Osborne and Sarah Murphy trace how a socialite mother of four became what her own obituary called "the effective steward of a multi-million dollar communications empire" — her partnership with editor Ben Bradlee, her friendship with Warren Buffett, and the sheer size of what Katharine Graham ended up running. Graham's memoir, Personal History, won the Pulitzer Prize a few years before she died.

Famous & Gravy is a celebrity biography podcast that asks, "What does this celebrity's life story show us about ourselves?"

If you enjoyed this episode, you might also enjoy Episode 122 "Southern Expat" (Harper Lee) and Episode 47 "Proud Mary" (Mary Tyler Moore).

Famous & Gravy is created and hosted by Michael Osborne. This episode features guest co-host Sarah Murphy.

LINKS:

• New York Times obituary for Katharine Graham
• The Post trailer, with Meryl Streep and Tom Hanks, directed by Steven Spielberg
• Becoming Katharine Graham, PBS documentary trailer
• Personal History by Katharine Graham
• Life Lessons from Dead Celebrities on Substack (free), the Famous & Gravy Newsletter
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After five years of grading obituaries from The New York Times, Famous & Gravy finally has a conversation with with someone who actually writes obituaries from The New York Times. Sam Roberts is on the show to share his experiences as a NYT obit writer and to talk about his new book Are They Dead Yet?

Roberts has written roughly 1,500 obituaries over his career. He and Michael dig into what actually goes into that first sentence of an obituary: accuracy, notability, economy of language, and the pressure of a deadline that can show up with almost no warning. Roberts tells the story of writing an obituary for Jesus of Nazareth, a piece he expected to get torn apart and got almost no pushback on, and explains why Alfred Nobel spent the rest of his life trying to outrun the one obituary that got published about him too early. Along the way, Michael runs Famous & Gravy's own grading criteria past a professional to see if the show's been fair.

Famous & Gravy is a celebrity biography podcast that asks what a celebrity's life story shows us about ourselves. This week, we ask the person who writes the first draft of it.

LINKS:

Are They Dead Yet? The Art of the Obit by Sam Roberts

Sam Roberts's imagined obituary for Jesus of Nazareth

Life Lessons from Dead Celebrities (Substack)

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Val Kilmer walked off his first professional set at age 13. It was a hamburger commercial, he thought the burgers looked terrible, and he refused to sell them. He never got paid, and it turned out to be a preview of the rest of his career.

Kilmer once said he heard he'd gotten cast in Batman moments after walking out of a bat cave in Africa. He also claimed he rode a horse home faster than should have been physically possible the day his father died. Those stories come from a devout Christian Science faith that later shaped how he handled his own throat cancer diagnosis, including an initial refusal of treatment his children eventually talked him out of. The disease took his speaking voice, and by the time the 2021 documentary Val came out, his son Jack was narrating some of his father's own words. The film traced a career that ran from Jim Morrison and Iceman in Top Gun to Doc Holliday in Tombstone, alongside a reputation on set that made him one of the more polarizing actors of his generation.

Famous & Gravy is a celebrity biography podcast that asks, "What does this celebrity's life story show us about ourselves?"

If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like Episode 50 "Golden Rose" (Betty White) and Episode 51 "Goofball Stud" (Bill Paxton).

LINKS:

Val Kilmer NYT Obituary

I'm Your Huckleberry, Val Kilmer's memoir

Collider article on why Val Kilmer quit Batman

Val Kilmer talks with Larry King, previews Top Gun 2

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Matthew Perry died in 2023 at fifty-four, and despite his very public battle with addiction, the first line of his obituary made no mention of his disease. Michael Osborne and Alice Orr argue that Matthew Perry is a case study in fame and addiction, working through his memoir, Friends, Lovers, and the Big Terrible Thing, where he admits he has no memory of filming three entire seasons of Friends. They get into his broken engagement to Julia Roberts, the sponsor turned business partner, and the question of what it takes to cultivate a quality of self-love when the disease of addiction is always working against you.

Famous & Gravy is a celebrity biography podcast that asks, "What can a celebrity life story show us about ourselves?"

If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like:

• Episode 119, Hungry Ghost (Anthony Bourdain)
• Episode 108, Gonzo Troubadour (Hunter S. Thompson)

LINKS

Alice Florence Orr, Managing Editor of Podcast Review

NYT obituary, Matthew Perry

Friends, Lovers, and the Big Terrible Thing, Matthew Perry's memoir

Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip trailer, the canceled Aaron Sorkin pilot

Matthew Perry puts Peter Hitchens to shame about addiction

Best moments from the Friends 2021 reunion

Interview with Tom Power about his memoir

Your Favorite Podcast Host is (Probably) in Recovery, Osborne article published in Podcast Review

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Marco Polo spent 24 years crossing the Mongol Empire and came home with stories so wild that his own neighbors called him a liar. In this episode, Michael sits down with Denis Belliveau, who in the 1990s spent two years retracing Marco Polo's actual route: from Venice through Afghanistan during the warlord period, into a newly opened Iran, and across the Silk Road into China, without ever boarding a plane. Denis made a documentary from the experience, which was nominated for Emmys. He now shares his story with students to inspire them about travel, geography, and culture. His website is In the Footsteps of History:

https://inthefootsteps.org/

This is one of our occasional off-format conversations, built around a single interview rather than the show's normal segments. Even though it's been 700 years, we still want to know what can a life story, shows us about ourselves?

Denis talks about getting held at gunpoint near the ancient site of Balkh, being among the first American civilians allowed into Iran since 1979, and the strange coincidences that kept opening doors along the way. He also gets into who Marco Polo actually was: a natural storyteller who charmed Kublai Khan as a teenager, and a man whose curiosity outran the prejudices of his own century.

Thanks to Rachel Huss for telling us about Denis. Read her article here!

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