The Two Broads were so pleased to have had Author Joseph (Jake) Klein on this episode where a very important topic was discussed. Klein's new book, Redefining Racism; How Racism Became Power + Prejudice, is a very well researched and important book bringing to light a very little known history of how anti racists movements have actually pushed culture backwards in the arena of inclusion and diversity. This book has been a six year journey and Jake shares some of his research pointing out that the way to real progress in anti racism must include being anti racist towards all. Perhaps it boils down to the truth that the real way to raise a bar is not by pushing others down but to raise the bar on oneself. Despite some short tech difficulties this is an episode to hear.