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  • Having Enough: Why Acquiring More Will Never Fill the Hole in Your Self-Worth [283]

    Having Enough: Why Acquiring More Will Never Fill the Hole in Your Self-Worth [283]
    Sep 2 2026
    It's easy to feel like you don't have enough; it's the message we constantly receive through media and advertisements. It's the message that once you have this thing, or make this much, then you will be happy... all of your dreams will come true! The truth is actually the opposite as this kind of grasping for more is associated with mood problems, anxiety, and stress. We'll dig into this trap of "having enough" and how we can break free from it and embrace our enoughness. About: The Joy Lab Podcast is an Ambie-nominated podcast that blends science and soul to help you cope better with stress, anxiety, and depression. It's hosted by integrative psychiatrist Dr. Henry Emmons and holistic mental health researcher Dr. Aimee Prasek. The podcast is best paired with the Joy Lab App. Bonus: spread some joy and keep this podcast ad-free by donating (Joy Lab is powered by the nonprofit Pathways North and your donations are tax-deductible). Listen & follow the Joy Lab Podcast on your favorite listening app: Spotify | Apple | YouTube Full transcript Sources and Notes for Our Element of Enoughness: Related Joy Lab Episodes: Ep. 236: The Power of Good Enough Parenting & Calling Out Our MomsOur Grief series starts here: Ep. 252: The Grief of What Should Have Been & The Loss of Not Being Truly Seen (Grief Recovery & Healing Series part 5)More on Savoring: Ep. 44: Savoring Your Past Without Ruminating or RomanticizingEp. 45: Mindfulness, Savoring the Present Moment, & Overcoming FOBO (it's kinda like FOMO)Ep. 46: Savoring the Future: A Refreshing Skill to Boost Mood & Help Navigate DepressionEp. 47: Mindsets & Mental Health: How Thoughts About Yourself & The World Impact Your WellbeingEp. 197: How Savoring Shifts Your Mood, Mindset, & BehaviorsEp. 198: Unfractured Focus: Mastering the Art of Savoring in a Distracted World Our Authenticity series starts here: Ep. 216: Unmasking Your True Self: Exploring Authenticity and AweEp. 268: Humility Can Be Stressful... But Worth It for Mental HealthEp. 273: How to Build Confidence (When You Don't Feel Confident Yet) Bellam, S., Curran, T., Hill, A. P., & Stoeber, J. (2025). Perfectionism and work performance: A meta-analysis. https://doi.org/10.1111/joop.12570Carver, C. S., Lawrence, J. W., & Scheier, M. F. (1999). Self-discrepancies and affect: Incorporating the role of feared selves. https://doi.org/10.1177/0146167299025007002 Crocker, J., & Park, L. E. (2004). The costly pursuit of self-esteem. https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.131.3.392 Crocker, J., & Park, L. E. (2004). Reaping the benefits of pursuing self-esteem without the costs? Reply to Schmuck and Sheldon (2004), Sheldon et al. (2004), Pyszczynski et al. (2004), and Kernis (2004). https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.130.3.430Crocker, J., Karpinski, A., Quinn, D. M., & Chase, S. K. (2003). When grades determine self-worth: Consequences of contingent self-worth for male and female engineering and psychology majors. https://doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.85.3.507Crocker, J., & Wolfe, C. T. (2001). Contingencies of self-worth. https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-295X.108.3.593Deci, E. L., & Ryan, R. M. (2004). Avoiding death or engaging life as accounts of meaning and culture: Comment on Pyszczynski et al. (2004). https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.130.3.473Freudenberger, H. J. (1974). Staff burn-out. Journal of Social Issues, 30(1), 159–165. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1540-4560.1974.tb00706.x Harari, D., Swider, B. W., Bujold Steed, L., & Breidenthal, A. P. (2018). Is perfect good? A meta-analysis of perfectionism in the workplace. https://doi.org/10.1037/apl0000324Hewitt, P. L., & Flett, G. L. (1991). Perfectionism in the self and social contexts: Conceptualization, assessment, and association with psychopathology. https://doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.60.3.456Higgins, E. T. (1987). Self-discrepancy: A theory relating self and affect. https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-295X.94.3.319Joseph, S., & Linley, P. A. (2005). Positive adjustment to threatening events: An organismic valuing theory of growth through adversity. https://doi.org/10.1037/1089-2680.9.3.262Kernis, M. H. (2005). Measuring self-esteem in context: The importance of stability of self-esteem in psychological functioning. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-6494.2005.00359.xKirkpatrick, L. A., & Ellis, B. J. (2001). An evolutionary-psychological approach to self-esteem: Multiple domains and multiple functions. In G. J. O. Fletcher & M. S. Clark (Eds.), Blackwell handbook of social psychology: Interpersonal processes (pp. 411–436). Blackwell.Leary, M. R. (2000). Sociometer theory and the pursuit of relational value: Getting to the root of self-esteem. https://doi.org/10.1080/14792772043000045 Maslach, C. (1981). The measurement of experienced burnout. https://doi.org/10.1002/job.4030020205 Park, L. E., & Crocker, J. (2005). Attachment styles and contingencies of self-worth. https://doi.org/10.1177/...
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  • You Are Enough: The Science and Practices of Enoughness [283]

    You Are Enough: The Science and Practices of Enoughness [283]
    Sep 1 2026
    Experiences with stress, depression, and anxiety are often paired with feelings of not measuring up or that you're not enough. However, feeling that you're lacking in some way is not limited to a mental health diagnosis; these feelings are actually very common and, unfortunately, they make our lives smaller. We're working on our Element of Enoughness in this episode, identifying Enoughness as an inner knowing that you are enough just as you are, with acceptance of where you are at this moment, without giving up on where you're headed. We'll start by identifying some obstacles to that knowing through two powerful research frameworks. The first is Dr. Jennifer Crocker's "contingencies of self-worth." This is the idea that we stake our self-esteem more heavily on certain domains than others, and when we do, our worth rises and falls with our performance in those areas. The second framework is Drs. Paul Hewitt and Gordon Flett's three typologies of perfectionism: self-oriented (impossible standards for yourself), other-oriented (impossible standards for others), and socially-prescribed (believing others are demanding your perfection). Henry also names the common root for our feelings of not being enough: the fundamental fear of not belonging. This is the start of our series on Enoughness, so be sure to stick with us for the next episodes as we talk about and gain skills related to having enough, doing enough, knowing enough, and being enough. About: The Joy Lab Podcast is an Ambie-nominated podcast that blends science and soul to help you cope better with stress, anxiety, and depression. It's hosted by integrative psychiatrist Dr. Henry Emmons and holistic mental health researcher Dr. Aimee Prasek. The podcast is best paired with the Joy Lab App. Bonus: spread some joy and keep this podcast ad-free by donating (Joy Lab is powered by the nonprofit Pathways North and your donations are tax-deductible). Full transcript here Sources and Notes for Our Element of Enoughness: Related Joy Lab Episodes: Ep. 268: Humility Can Be Stressful... But Worth It for Mental Health Ep. 273: How to Build Confidence (When You Don't Feel Confident Yet) Bellam, S., Curran, T., Hill, A. P., & Stoeber, J. (2025). Perfectionism and work performance: A meta-analysis. https://doi.org/10.1111/joop.12570Carver, C. S., Lawrence, J. W., & Scheier, M. F. (1999). Self-discrepancies and affect: Incorporating the role of feared selves. https://doi.org/10.1177/0146167299025007002 Crocker, J., & Park, L. E. (2004). The costly pursuit of self-esteem. https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.131.3.392 Crocker, J., & Park, L. E. (2004). Reaping the benefits of pursuing self-esteem without the costs? Reply to Schmuck and Sheldon (2004), Sheldon et al. (2004), Pyszczynski et al. (2004), and Kernis (2004). https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.130.3.430Crocker, J., Karpinski, A., Quinn, D. M., & Chase, S. K. (2003). When grades determine self-worth: Consequences of contingent self-worth for male and female engineering and psychology majors. https://doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.85.3.507Crocker, J., & Wolfe, C. T. (2001). Contingencies of self-worth. https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-295X.108.3.593Deci, E. L., & Ryan, R. M. (2004). Avoiding death or engaging life as accounts of meaning and culture: Comment on Pyszczynski et al. (2004). https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.130.3.473Freudenberger, H. J. (1974). Staff burn-out. Journal of Social Issues, 30(1), 159–165. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1540-4560.1974.tb00706.x Harari, D., Swider, B. W., Bujold Steed, L., & Breidenthal, A. P. (2018). Is perfect good? A meta-analysis of perfectionism in the workplace. https://doi.org/10.1037/apl0000324Hewitt, P. L., & Flett, G. L. (1991). Perfectionism in the self and social contexts: Conceptualization, assessment, and association with psychopathology. https://doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.60.3.456Higgins, E. T. (1987). Self-discrepancy: A theory relating self and affect. https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-295X.94.3.319Joseph, S., & Linley, P. A. (2005). Positive adjustment to threatening events: An organismic valuing theory of growth through adversity. https://doi.org/10.1037/1089-2680.9.3.262Kernis, M. H. (2005). Measuring self-esteem in context: The importance of stability of self-esteem in psychological functioning. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-6494.2005.00359.xKirkpatrick, L. A., & Ellis, B. J. (2001). An evolutionary-psychological approach to self-esteem: Multiple domains and multiple functions. In G. J. O. Fletcher & M. S. Clark (Eds.), Blackwell handbook of social psychology: Interpersonal processes (pp. 411–436). Blackwell.Leary, M. R. (2000). Sociometer theory and the pursuit of relational value: Getting to the root of self-esteem. https://doi.org/10.1080/14792772043000045 Maslach, C. (1981). The measurement of experienced burnout. https://doi.org/10.1002/job.4030020205 Park, L. E., & Crocker, J. (2005). Attachment styles and ...
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    28 mins
  • Manage Energy, Not Time for Better Mood and Mental Health (encore) [282]

    Manage Energy, Not Time for Better Mood and Mental Health (encore) [282]
    Aug 26 2026
    Rest and recreation are essential tools for resilience and good mental health as they help support the biological rhythms your body is already running. We'll dig into these rhythms more in this episode by breaking down three layers of the body's natural cycles: Ultradian rhythms (the short cycles within each day), circadian rhythms (24 hour cycle), and infradian rhythms (longer cycles like menstruation and seasonal changes). The practical thread through all three is the same: manage energy, not time. Notice your rhythm and do your best to honor what your body is telling you. Note: This is an encore episode, originally aired during Joy Lab's Roots of Resilience Series (Element: Resilience). It's replaying here to close the month of Re-Creation because it goes straight to the biological foundation of why rest and recreation aren't optional extras — they are literally built into your body. As Aimee puts it in her intro: these rhythms are not something to fight. They're something to come home to. About: The Joy Lab Podcast is an Ambie-nominated podcast that blends science and soul to help you cope better with stress, anxiety, and depression. It's hosted by integrative psychiatrist Dr. Henry Emmons and holistic mental health researcher Dr. Aimee Prasek. The podcast is best paired with the Joy Lab App. Bonus: spread some joy and keep this podcast ad-free by donating (Joy Lab is powered by the nonprofit Pathways North and your donations are tax-deductible). Listen & follow the Joy Lab Podcast on your favorite listening app: Spotify | Apple | YouTube Full transcript here Sources and Notes: Joy Lab Experiments: Take the next leap in your wellbeing journey with step-by-step practices to help you build and maintain the elements of joy in your life.Joy Lab episodes referenced: Joy Lab Podcast #13 (The Roots of Resilience) This episode is a broad overview of what we'll be talking about over the next 9 episodes. It's a really helpful summary! Roots of Resilience Series starts with episode #53: Roots of Resilience Chemistry of Calm (Dr. Emmons' book referenced in this series) The 20 Minute Break (book) Linnaeus' Flower Clock How does the brain deal with cumulative stress? A review with focus on developmental stress, HPA axis function and hippocampal structure in humans Cumulative Stress and Health Questions this episode was made for: Q: Why do I crash mid-afternoon and feel like I can't focus no matter how hard I try? A: That's your ultradian rhythm doing exactly what it's designed to do. This episode explains the 60-to-90-minute focus window, why pushing through leads to a steeper crash, and what a 15-to-20-minute break actually does to restore your brain's capacity. Q: Could my sleep or stress problems be connected to my hormones being out of rhythm? A: It's certainly possible. This episode walks through how cortisol fluctuates naturally across 24 hours, what happens when that pattern gets disrupted by chronic stress (including the classic 3 AM wake-up), and how protecting your sleep is the single most powerful thing you can do to help let your system rebalance itself. Key moments: [00:00] Aimee's intro to the encore: this episode closes the month of Re-Creation by grounding rest in biology — rhythms aren't optional, they're built in [01:00] Welcome — the Element of Resilience, Roots of Resilience Series, third root: aligning with nature [01:30] Henry: bio-rhythms might be the most important and most easily ignored root of resilience [02:00] Natural world runs on cycles — plants and animals fall in line naturally; humans have the choice to ignore or fight them [03:00] Inside the body: hormones, energy, focus, and mood are all directly shaped by these rhythms [03:30] Depression can be a problem with internal timing — getting out of sync with bio-rhythms; Chronobiology and body-clock research: a booming field; SAD as a familiar example of seasonal rhythm [04:30] Three rhythms to cover: ultradian (under 24 hours), circadian (24 hours), infradian (more than 24 hours) [05:00] Ultradian rhythms: most overlooked, most ignored in the typical workday; What we do instead: push through, reach for sugar or caffeine, experiment with nootropics — when the body is asking for a break [07:00] Henry: managing energy rather than time — noticing when you're fading and honoring it early before the crash [08:00] Dr. Anders Ericsson's violinist study: comparing professional soloists with good-but-not-great performers [10:00] The lesson: excellence came from tending to rhythms, not from fighting through them — more practice was possible because of better recovery [10:30] Transition to circadian rhythms — sleep is the big one here [11:30] Henry: sleep might be the best mood stabilizer available — the research is unambiguous; People with depression + sleep problems who improve their sleep double their chances of recovery [12:00] People without depression who ...
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    26 mins
  • Rest Isn't the Opposite of Productivity (stress management tips & burnout recovery for us busy-busy humans) (encore) [281]

    Rest Isn't the Opposite of Productivity (stress management tips & burnout recovery for us busy-busy humans) (encore) [281]
    Aug 19 2026
    We're constantly swamped by messages like rest or idleness leads to laziness or that if you rest, then you'll fall behind — it's been repeated by so many self-proclaimed gurus, business experts, and biohacking influencers that we've started to believe the false messaging. The truth is that you're wired to take purposeful action, to have a healthy store of motivation, and to rest so that you can do those things when needed. So, how come so many of us feel stuck in the swing between pathological productivity and then guilt when resting? We'll dig into the concept of idleness aversion — the deeply human tendency to detest doing nothing — and explains its evolutionary roots. We are wired to assess whether action is needed and to feel motivated when it is. That's not a flaw. The flaw is when that drive gets hijacked by external messaging that equates busyness with moral virtue and rest with weakness. Henry brings the neuroscience of mind-wandering: when the mind is allowed to wander, there's a kind of syncing up and rest that can happen, almost like rebooting a computer or closing all the apps on your phone. Far from being a waste, it's the precondition for efficient activation when you actually need it. We'll get into some practical strategies to help you embrace more rest. For example, get a hobby that cannot be turned into a side hustle. Find a third place where people aren't doing anything productive. Let yourself daydream with a timer. And if you're looking for the episode that followed this one when it played originally, here it is: From FOMO to GOMO: Discovering Freedom and Joy in The Choices We Make [ep. 224] Note: This is an encore episode, originally aired during Joy Lab's Element of Fun. It's replaying here during the month of Re-Creation because rest and play go hand in hand — and if part of you felt a flicker of guilt pressing play on a podcast instead of doing something "productive," this episode is exactly what you need to hear. Preferably in a hammock. Not because you deserve it, but because you need it. About: The Joy Lab Podcast is an Ambie-nominated podcast that blends science and soul to help you cope better with stress, anxiety, and depression. It's hosted by integrative psychiatrist Dr. Henry Emmons and holistic mental health researcher Dr. Aimee Prasek. The podcast is best paired with the Joy Lab App. Bonus: spread some joy and keep this podcast ad-free by donating (Joy Lab is powered by the nonprofit Pathways North and your donations are tax-deductible). Listen & follow the Joy Lab Podcast on your favorite listening app: Spotify | Apple | YouTube Sources and Notes: Joy Lab Experiments: Take the next leap in your wellbeing journey with step-by-step practices to help you build and maintain the elements of joy in your life.Joy Lab episodes referenced: Are You Stuck in Joyless Urgency? [ep 222] Where's Your Third Place? [ep. 171] Sometimes I Just Sits... (the power of solitude) [ep. 74] Four Thousand Weeks by Oliver BurkemanSeries on authenticity from our Joy Lab podcast: Unmasking Your True Self: Exploring Authenticity and Awe [ep. 216] The Truth Behind Your Thoughts And How to Calm Your Mind (encore) [ep. 141] Embrace Your True Self: Accepted, Connected, & In The Game [ep. 217] The Road Most Travelled: Awakening Through Suffering [ep. 218] Follow Your Bliss: Awakening to Joy [ep. 219] The Still Small Voice: Awakening with soulfulness [ep. 220] Just think: The challenges of the disengaged mind (this is the study of people shocking themselves out of boredom)Chandola, T., Ling, W., & Rouxel, P. (2025). Are anxious Mondays associated with HPA-axis dysregulation? A longitudinal study of older adults in England. Journal of Affective Disorders, 389. Access here. Questions this episode was made for: Q: Why do I feel guilty when I'm not being productive, even when I know I need rest? A: This episode names and traces the moral weight most of us carry around rest. There is a culturally reinforced message that busyness is virtuous and idleness is weak. We'll dig into the evolutionary roots of idleness aversion and the neuroscience of why consciously letting your mind wander is genuinely restorative, not a waste. Q: Is it possible to actually retrain a stressed-out nervous system that's gotten used to constant productivity? A: Yes, but it takes practice. It takes time to create new pathways and patterns. This episode explains how those neural pathways form and what gentle, practical steps (hobbies, third places, daydreaming, solitude) begin to build new ones. Key moments: [00:00] Aimee's intro to the encore: idleness aversion, the moral weight on rest, and the invitation to listen in a hammock — not because you deserve it, but because you need it [02:00] Pathological productivity defined: on a spectrum from no productivity (feels bad for long, briefly good) to overwork (most of us have been there) to pathological productivity (...
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  • Healing Doesn't Have to Feel as Heavy As Hurting: Supporting Mental Health With More Play (encore) [280]

    Healing Doesn't Have to Feel as Heavy As Hurting: Supporting Mental Health With More Play (encore) [280]
    Aug 12 2026
    We're digging into a reframe that can change the way a lot of us think about depression, anxiety, stress, and mental health treatment. The reframe has to do with the very common belief that there's one logical fix waiting to be found and that once found, we'd feel better and all will be fixed. The truth is that the way through overthinking, stress, and even anxiety and depression looks a little different for every person. Another thing we'll work to reframe in this episode is the culturally reinforced illusion that feeling better has to be just as heavy as feeling bad. The main strategy we'll lean on to go beyond these common obstacles is right in line with our Elements of Fun and Recreation... it's play! Truly, play is powerful. Note: This is an encore episode, originally aired during Joy Lab's Element of Fun. It's replaying here during the month of Re-Creation because it grounds the science of play in some of the best research available — and because if you haven't heard it, now is exactly the right time. About: The Joy Lab Podcast is an Ambie-nominated podcast that blends science and soul to help you cope better with stress, anxiety, and depression. It's hosted by integrative psychiatrist Dr. Henry Emmons and holistic mental health researcher Dr. Aimee Prasek. The podcast is best paired with the Joy Lab App. Bonus: spread some joy and keep this podcast ad-free by donating (Joy Lab is powered by the nonprofit Pathways North and your donations are tax-deductible). Full transcript here Sources and Notes: Joy Lab Experiments: Take the next leap in your wellbeing journey with step-by-step practices to help you build and maintain the elements of joy in your life.Joy Lab Episode #5 referenced: Let Go of Shoulds, Let In FunMore about Karl Popper (Also see: "Of Clouds and Clocks: An approach to the problem of rationality and freedom of man.")Maurice Sendak: https://www.sendakfoundation.org FAQ Q: I know I should do something fun but I just can't make myself — what's actually going on? A: This episode names some main obstacles clearly: anhedonia (the inability to feel pleasure that is a red flag for depression), the belief that there's one logical fix waiting, metacognition blocking you from being present during play, and the fear of losing or not doing it right — and offers specific practical strategies for each one. Q: Does healing from depression really have to be so heavy and hard, or can fun actually be part of it? A: This episode makes the direct case that play is a legitimate healing tool, not a distraction from "real" work. There's good scientific evidence to support play as a valuable adjunctive tool to treat depression. Key moments: [00:00] Aimee introduces the encore: this episode gets practical about what blocks fun and how to get past it [02:30] First obstacle: anhedonia — the inability to feel pleasure, one of the clearest red flags for depression [03:00] The inertia problem: when you know you'd feel better if you played but can't get yourself to start [04:00] Henry: no shame in needing something to get over the hump — medication or natural therapy as a bridge, not a failure [05:00] "Fake it till you make it" — not denial, just good practice; changing what you do can move your mood [06:30] Second obstacle: waiting for the one logical solution — the single cause bias that makes us believe there's one fix [07:30] Karl Popper's clocks and clouds: clocks are tight, ordered, reducible; clouds are irregular and unpredictable [08:00] Mental health is a cloud — but we keep trying to treat it like a clock (one diagnosis, one medication, one solution) [09:00] Henry: the human brain is extraordinarily complex — one thing influences another influences another; the clock model just doesn't hold [10:30] The way out of anxiety and depression is a little different for everyone — just like fun looks different for everyone; C.S. Lewis: "Have fun, even if it's not the same kind of fun everyone else is having." [12:00] The clouds complexity is actually empowering: opening to more than one solution puts the power back in our hands [13:00] Third obstacle: metacognition — thinking about thinking — a useful skill that blocks fun when overused [14:00] Henry: metacognition from a Buddhism and neuroscience conference — observing yourself as a thinker, one of the main benefits of mindfulness [16:00] Aimee: metacognition can block you from starting to play AND take you out of it once you're there [18:00] Ted Lasso and Danny Rojas getting the yips — a vivid example of how overthinking destroys play even for the most joyful players [21:00] Preparing for fun: anticipation is part of the enjoyment — let yourself get excited in advance [21:30] Simple preparation: take a break from the phone or computer for an hour or two before a fun event [24:00] Strategy: pick a playful activity you did as a kid and do it for two or three minutes today; Don't overthink it...
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  • The Power of Play for Depression, Anxiety, & Stress (encore) [279]

    The Power of Play for Depression, Anxiety, & Stress (encore) [279]
    Aug 5 2026
    Is the opposite of depression happiness and the opposite of anxiety just calm? Some researchers have actually played with the idea that the opposite of depression and anxiety might just be... play. It's an interesting idea considering play and depression are inversely related, people who play more report a stronger internal locus of control (the sense that they have some agency over their lives), and when people engage in play, self-reported depression decreases. We'll dig into this more as we look more at the neuroscience of play and how it hits the dopamine system directly and promotes BDNF (brain-derived neurotrophic factor, or what Henry calls Miracle-Gro for the brain), which supports the growth and survival of new neurons. Expect to come away with some inspiration and motivation to return some play into your life. As play researcher Dr. Brian Sutton-Smith noted "For decades there has been this assumption that children played and adults didn't. That's rubbish." Note: This is an encore episode, originally aired during Joy Lab's Element of Fun. It's replaying here during the month of Re-Creation because it grounds the science of play in some of the best research available — and because if you haven't heard it, now is exactly the right time. About: The Joy Lab Podcast is an Ambie-nominated podcast that blends science and soul to help you cope better with stress, anxiety, and depression. It's hosted by integrative psychiatrist Dr. Henry Emmons and holistic mental health researcher Dr. Aimee Prasek. The podcast is best paired with the Joy Lab App. Bonus: spread some joy and keep this podcast ad-free by donating (Joy Lab is powered by the nonprofit Pathways North and your donations are tax-deductible). FAQ Q: Is there actually science behind play being good for mental health, or is that just feel-good advice? A: The science is substantial! This episode explores highlights from neuroscience to epidemiological findings that support play as a real tool to improve mild to moderate mental health issues. Q: I'm depressed and have no motivation to do anything...can play actually help? A: Research shows that when people engage in play, self-reported depression decreases and a sense of agency increases. This episode explains the physiological mechanisms (dopamine, BDNF) and makes the case for why play is a legitimate mental health tool, not a luxury. With that said, it is essential to pair adjunctive strategies like play with care from your doctor or a mental health professional. Key moments: [00:00] Aimee introduces the encore: why this episode was chosen for Re-Creation month — it grounds the science of play [01:30] Dr. Brian Sutton-Smith: "The opposite of play is not work — the opposite of play is depression." [02:00] Play and depression are inversely correlated; Play and internal locus of control: playing more is associated with stronger sense of agency over your life [03:00] Weak internal locus of control is associated with depression — and play builds the opposite; When people engage in play, self-reported depression decreases — whether depression came first or play loss came first [04:00] Play can be used as a treatment tool for depression — not a replacement for other care, but a real contributor [05:00] Physiological mechanisms: play hits the dopamine system — loss of pleasure (anhedonia) is one of the two key criteria Henry looks for in depression; Play boosts creativity channels in the brain, tones down the stress/autonomic nervous system, helps release pent-up negative emotions; Most importantly: play grows our sense of connection — because we almost always play with others [07:00] Giant kangaroo rats: even solitary mammals have social neighborhoods and share resources — they aren't truly solitary; Humans have bought into the lone-wolf, self-made, solitary-BS story — which is actually bad for survival [08:30] When we don't have playmates and don't play, emotional health suffers — overwork alone without play is a recipe for depression and anxiety [10:00] Neurogenesis: the brain makes new cells throughout life, even in the last weeks of terminal illness; New brain cells need to branch out and connect with other cells or they wither and die — a powerful analogy for humans [11:30] BDNF: brain-derived neurotrophic factor — Henry's "Miracle-Gro for the brain" — facilitates this growth [12:00] Key factors that promote BDNF: diet (bright colors, omega-3s, not too many calories); moderate aerobic exercise [13:00] Enriched environment: in rats — a maze challenge, toys to play with, and playmates; not so different for humans [14:00] Social connection: even just another rat in the cage makes a difference [14:30] Age matters — but here's the twist: old rats who got to play with other old rats showed more BDNF and neurogenesis than young rats who exercised vigorously, ate perfectly, and did everything "right" [15:30] Social play overrides age — ...
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  • Stop Optimizing & Exhausting Yourself and Start Re-Creating [278]

    Stop Optimizing & Exhausting Yourself and Start Re-Creating [278]
    Aug 1 2026
    A big chunk of the self-help and wellness industry runs on some core messages: you are not good enough and you need to be fixed, improved, and optimized. We disagree and hope this element of recreation (and re-creation) helps you brush off some of those false messages and return to what is already good and resilient in you. This is also one of the three months per year (April, August, and December), where we tap more into our rest and activity cycles by doing less and nourishing more. With that in mind, we'll play some encore episodes that will help you tap into play, rest, and nourish. We'll be back September 1 with new episodes! About: The Joy Lab Podcast is an Ambie-nominated podcast that blends science and soul to help you cope better with stress, anxiety, and depression. It's hosted by integrative psychiatrist Dr. Henry Emmons and holistic mental health researcher Dr. Aimee Prasek. The podcast is best paired with the Joy Lab Program (get your 7-day free trial!). Bonus: spread some joy and keep this podcast ad-free by donating (Joy Lab is powered by the nonprofit Pathways North and your donations are tax-deductible). Listen & follow the Joy Lab Podcast on your favorite listening app: Spotify | Apple | YouTube Full transcript here Sources and Notes for our Element of Confidence: Joy Lab Program: Take the next leap in your wellbeing journey with step-by-step practices to help you build and maintain the elements of joy in your life. Start your 7-day free trial now.Csikszentmihalyi, M. (1990). Flow: The psychology of optimal experience. Harper & Row.Eberle, S. (2014). The elements of play: Toward a philosophy and definition of play. Access here.Farley, A., Kennedy-Behr, A., & Brown, T. (2021). An investigation into the relationship between playfulness and well-being in Australian adults: An exploratory study. Access here.Halpin, M., et al. (2025). When Help Is Harm: Health, Lookism and Self-Improvement in the Manosphere. Access here.Lackey, N. Q., et al. (2021). Mental health benefits of nature-based recreation: a systematic review. Access here.Smith, B. S. (2001) The ambiguity of play. Harvard University Press.Authenticity series: Unmasking Your True Self: Exploring Authenticity and Awe [ep. 216] Embrace Your True Self: Accepted, Connected, & In The Game [ep. 217] The Road Most Travelled: Awakening Through Suffering [ep. 218] Follow Your Bliss: Awakening to Joy [ep. 219] The Still Small Voice: Awakening with Soulfulness [ep. 220] Align with Nature and Your & Your Rhythms (ultradian, circadian, & infradian) [ep. 139]More on inspiration and goal-setting: Inspiration: The Engine of Joy" ... gives some great basics for this element of inspiration) [ep. 10] Resolution #1: You Don't Need to Be Fixed [ep. 40] The Myths of Change [ep. 41] Five Principles for Inspired Change (or something that looks remarkably like it) [ep. 42] Harmonious vs. Obsessive Passions [ep. 43] About turning your passions into work: When Your Life Passions Become Obsessions [ep. 208] Common Questions: Q: Why does rest and play feel so hard to justify when there's always more to do? A: Because we've been sold the message that rest is laziness and optimization is a moral win. This episode names that cultural conditioning directly, explains the biological necessity of rest and activity cycles, and reframes play as a genuine act of wellness and even resistance. Q: What does play actually look like for adults and why does it matter for mental health? A: This episode introduces phantasmagoria, flow, and self-forgetfulness as frameworks for understanding why play is not optional. Play helps dissolves self-monitoring, reduces stress, builds resilience and empathy, and reconnects us to intrinsic motivation. One practical strategy is to play for just two minutes per day, no devices, doing something that was fun when you were a kid. Key moments: [00:00] Welcome to the Element of Recreation — and the shift to "re-creation," with the hyphen intentional [00:30] Joy Lab's ease-phase rhythm: August, December, April — doing less, nourishing more, honoring cycles of rest and activity [01:30] Henry: we treat bodies and minds like machines that should run at peak capacity all the time [02:00] Nature runs on rhythms — seasons, tides, circadian cycles, hormone cycles — and so do we [03:30] We were taught that resting is laziness, that not optimizing is wasting time — and it's exhausting and eventually counterproductive [04:00] When we honor natural rhythms and take real breaks, energy and creativity return [05:00] Re-creation as coming back to our foundation — no additional fixes needed; goodness is already here [05:30] The wellness industry's relentless optimization is built on a "tiny blueprint" — a marketable version of you designed to sell products. It only works if you believe you're a product, not a person [07:00] Henry: the trillion-dollar self-help industry ...
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  • Self-Focused vs. Task-Focused Attention & How Great Things Are Done by a Series of Small Things [277]

    Self-Focused vs. Task-Focused Attention & How Great Things Are Done by a Series of Small Things [277]
    Jul 29 2026
    This final episode of our Confidence series ties everything together: the inner work of accepting discomfort and self-doubt, defusing from self-critical thoughts, and clarifying values now becomes the foundation for outer action. You can build confidence through the daily practice of taking small committed actions, again and again, in alignment with your values, even when you don't feel ready. We'll dig into strategies like psychological flexibility: the ability to be present with thoughts, feelings, and sensations without letting them stop you from doing what matters. With that flexibility, we can shift from self-focused attention (consumed by what others are thinking, picking apart your own performance in real time) to task-focused attention. Self-focused attention takes the prefrontal cortex partially offline and redirects computing power to threat-detection and self-monitoring. Shifting attention to the task brings it back online. You think more clearly. You respond more flexibly. You perform closer to the level you're actually capable of. The practice is simple to describe and genuinely hard to do: when you notice self-focused attention taking over, pause, ask "What does this moment call for?" and do the next best thing, imperfectly. You'll get pulled back into self-monitoring. That's okay. That's actually the practice. That's where the real strength is built. About: The Joy Lab Podcast is an Ambie-nominated podcast that blends science and soul to help you cope better with stress, anxiety, and depression. It's hosted by integrative psychiatrist Dr. Henry Emmons and holistic mental health researcher Dr. Aimee Prasek. The podcast is best paired with the Joy Lab Program (get your 7-day free trial!). Bonus: spread some joy and keep this podcast ad-free by donating (Joy Lab is powered by the nonprofit Pathways North and your donations are tax-deductible). Listen & follow the Joy Lab Podcast on your favorite listening app: Spotify | Apple | YouTube Sources and Notes for our Element of Confidence: Joy Lab Program: Take the next leap in your wellbeing journey with step-by-step practices to help you build and maintain the elements of joy in your life. Start your 7-day free trial now.Episodes in this series: Not Feeling Confident & Want to Know How to Increase Confidence In Yourself? Start By Seeing Confidence as Trust, Not a Feeling [ep. 273] Building Confidence with Mindful Acceptance (even when anxiety, self-doubt, & the harsh inner-critic show up) [ep. 274] You Are Not Your Thoughts: Cognitive Defusion for Confidence & to Change Your Relationship With Self-Critical Thoughts [ep. 275] Confidence, Motivation, & Values: Focusing on Direction, Not Perfection [ep.276] Self-Focused vs. Task-Focused Attention & How Great Things Are Done by a Series of Small Things[ep. 277] Book: The Confidence Gap by Russ Harris, PhD Book: Confidence Culture by Shani Orgad, PhD & Rosalind Gill, PhD Bandura. Self-efficacy: Toward a Unifying Theory of Behavioral Change. Access here. Baumeister et al. Does High Self-Esteem Cause Better Performance, Interpersonal Success, Happiness, or Healthier Lifestyles? Access here. Donnelly et al. Do people know how others view them? Two approaches for identifying the accuracy of metaperceptions. Access here. Hayes et al. Acceptance and Commitment Therapy as a Unified Model of Behavior Change. Access here.More about Victor Frankl's work from VFIA. Full transcript here Common Questions: Q: How do I actually start building confidence when I don't feel confident at all? A: Start with small committed actions (not big goals) that are aligned with your values and take those small actions even when you feel doubtful or uncomfortable. These small actions are the most important starting point, they collect evidence your nervous system can learn from (I can do it!), and the feeling of confidence can follow those small actions. Q: Why does my anxiety get worse when I'm in the middle of doing something I care about? A: That's self-focused attention. Your energy and focus gets redirected from the task to self-monitoring and threat-detection; this episode explains the neuroscience, introduces the shift to task-focused attention, and gives you a simple one-question reset to bring your prefrontal cortex back online. Key moments: [00:00] Welcome to the final episode of the Confidence series — committed action, the last step [00:30] Recap of the series: Ep. 274 (being with discomfort), Ep. 275 (unhooking from thoughts), Ep. 276 (clarifying values) — now it's time to act [01:00] Quoting Dr. Russ Harris: "The actions of confidence come first; the feelings of confidence come later." [01:30] Henry: up until now, we've done the inner work — now it's time for the outer work [02:00] Committed action: moving toward what matters even when uncomfortable, doubtful, or uncertain [02:30] ACT's psychological flexibility: being present ...
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