Richard sits down with Barry Conchie, founder of Conchie Associates and renowned leadership expert. Barry, a former Gallup leader and co-author of the bestseller Strengths-Based Leadership, dives deep into his career journey, his fascination with human performance, and the startling research behind his latest book, The Five Talents That Really Matter. Together, Richard and Barry explore the critical differences between leadership and management, why 80% of managers aren't fit for their roles, and the traits that set exceptional leaders apart. Barry candidly reflects on his own challenges as a manager and his evolution into a leadership expert. This conversation is both insightful and refreshingly honest, offering actionable takeaways for leaders, aspiring managers, and anyone passionate about organizational excellence.