Tracy and Chris interviewed Jamie Cain for a previous podcast episode. This week and next week, they offer their fantastic conversations with Jamie’s wife, Kristi Cain. As you hear her story of life and spiritual formation, think about your narrative. Let her journey remind you of key parts of your own adventure. Kristi has been involved academically, pastorally, and in writing and editing. She, Tracy, and Chris have all served in spiritual life at Emmanuel University. Kristi offers positive stories from church upbringing, raising children, personal growth, and finding hope in a world of questions and wounds. She learned much from her parents and from others who have mentored her. Take time to gain truth from Kristi’s story.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bring-me-my-books/id1722072162

Chris Maxwell and Tracy Reynolds continue their conversation with filmmaker, media consultant, speaker, and author Phil Cooke. In this episode, they continue focusing on Cooke’s new book, Church on Trial: How to Protect Your Congregation, Mission, and Reputation During a Crisis. Listen to Phil’s main points and his stories. This is not a simple, easy, humorous novel. He writes from experience about the word most people do not enjoy—crisis. That word “crisis” is not on a leader’s list of goals and dreams. But it can become a reality for all leaders. And, all leaders should learn from Phil to protect a congregation, a mission, and a reputation during difficult circumstances.

https://www.philcooke.com/

Tracy and Chris enjoyed having Phil Cooke in two previous episodes of Next Step Leadership, so they invited him back for more conversations. Phil continues helping churches, ministries, and businesses gain a better grasp of marketing and care in today’s culture. As a filmmaker, media consultant, speaker, and author, Phil brings a vast array of research to guide leaders in planning and application. Phil’s latest book—Church on Trial: How to Protect Your Congregation, Mission, and Reputation During a Crisis—is the perfect fit for this podcast. Listen and learn from Phil’s honesty. Read his book. Apply the guidelines, putting yourself and your team in safer places.

https://www.philcooke.com/