Episodes

  • 84 - Assessment for Growth: Empowering Student Musicians, with Leah Hanley
    Feb 10 2025

    In episode 84, Theresa and Kathryn sit down with Leah Hanley to explore how assessment can be a powerful tool for student empowerment in music education. Leah, a seasoned orchestra teacher in the Bronx, shares insights on the distinction between summative and formative assessment and how the latter can be seamlessly integrated into daily music instruction. She highlights the importance of making assessment visible to students, allowing them to take ownership of their learning. Through practical strategies like using technology for individual assessment and embedding reflection into rehearsals, Leah demonstrates how teachers can help students become independent musicians who can analyze, problem-solve, and improve their performance.

    Leah also shares actionable tips that music educators can implement right away, including setting up a simple recording system for self-evaluation and using structured discussion protocols to guide student reflections. She emphasizes that authentic assessments—those that involve real music-making rather than paper-based exercises—are key to fostering meaningful growth. Whether you're looking to refine your assessment practices or find ways to engage students more deeply, this conversation is full of valuable insights to help transform your teaching. Tune in to discover how to shift the focus of assessment from judgment to growth, creating a classroom culture where students thrive.


    Connect with Leah and learn more:

    • https://www.stringsattached.blog/
    • https://nafme.org/publications-resources/connected-arts-network-project/
    • https://www.musicfirst.com/


    Other resources from this episode:

    • Episode 67 -Unlock Student Potential: Transforming Assessments in Music Education
    • Episode 55 -Assessment for Learning: Nurturing Growth and Progress in Every Student
    • Exit Tickets for Self-Reflection
    • Exit Ticket for Music Classes


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    36 mins
  • 83 - Creative Social Justice Projects in General Music, with Jasmine Henderson
    Jan 27 2025

    In episode 83, Theresa and Kathryn welcome Jasmine Henderson to discuss her innovative approach to empowering students through social justice projects in general music classes. Jasmine shares her journey from teaching K-8 general music and choir to collaborating with university students to design a groundbreaking project called the "Sonic Justice Collage." This unique initiative allowed students to explore topics they were passionate about—such as climate change and racial injustice—and express their ideas through music, using tools like Soundtrap to create public service announcements and multimedia collages. Jasmine reflects on how this project fostered student voice, creativity, and community while also providing valuable teaching experiences for pre-service educators.


    Listeners will be inspired by Jasmine’s emphasis on student-centered learning and the power of music to address meaningful societal issues. She also provides practical tips for music teachers looking to implement similar projects, including strategies for collaboration, encouraging student choice, and navigating potential challenges. Whether you're a seasoned educator or new to teaching, this episode offers actionable ideas to engage students and cultivate a classroom environment where they feel seen, heard, and empowered. Don’t miss Jasmine’s heartfelt advice and the impactful stories from her classroom!


    Connect with Jasmine:

    Email: jas.d.henderson@gmail.com


    Other Resources from this Episode

    *Episode 81: Professional Collaboration - https://bit.ly/49HlA51

    *Recording Studio Checklist - https://buymeacoffee.com/passthebaton/creating-classroom-recording-studio-3403049

    *Recording Studio Private Podcast (Coffee Club Members only) - https://buymeacoffee.com/passthebaton/creating-classroom-recording-studio


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    38 mins
  • 82 - Making Music, Making Connections: Strategies for Inclusive Music Classrooms, with Matthew Stensrud
    Jan 13 2025

    In episode 82, Kathryn and Theresa sit down with Matthew Stensrud, an accomplished music educator specializing in elementary music, responsive classroom techniques, and Orff Schulwerk approaches. Matthew shares his journey into music education, including his inspiration from mentors and his passion for creating inclusive and empowering music classrooms. He emphasizes the importance of fostering a sense of belonging and community where students feel safe to take creative risks.


    Matthew discusses actionable strategies for passing the baton to students, including movement activities, personalized compositions, and creating opportunities for student choice and voice. Highlights include empowering students through movement exercises like snowflake-inspired choreography and fourth-grade rap projects tied to identity and intersectionality. This episode is packed with practical ideas and insights to inspire music educators to cultivate creativity, collaboration, and a sense of ownership in their classrooms. Tune in to learn how small shifts in teaching practices can create transformative learning experiences for students.


    • Website: www.mistersorff.com
    • Patreon: www.patreon.com/mistersorff
    • Instagram: @mistersorff
    • Book: Responsive Classroom for Music, Art, PE, and Other Special Areas
    • Book Recommendation: Intersection Allies: We Make Room for All


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    42 mins
  • 81 - Professional Collaboration: You Don’t Need to Do This Work Alone
    Dec 16 2024

    In episode 81, Kathryn and Theresa reflect on the power of professional collaboration for music educators. Drawing from their own experiences, they discuss how connecting with fellow educators—whether across the country or in the same district—can transform teaching practices, reduce isolation, and foster creativity. They share anecdotes of innovative classroom projects, such as their cross-state recorder pen pals and collaborative feedback sessions using Flipgrid, which helped students develop skills in constructive critique and purposeful music-making. These experiences underscore how collaboration not only enhances teaching but also models lifelong learning and teamwork for students.


    Kathryn and Theresa also highlight the importance of finding support networks to combat the isolation many music teachers face. They suggest starting with conferences, social media, or even colleagues outside of music education to brainstorm ideas or share lessons. For those looking for a structured way to connect, they recommend the Pass the Baton Coffee Club, which provides opportunities for group planning and idea-sharing. Take the leap into collaboration, whether by exchanging lessons or teaming up for larger projects, and share your experiences to inspire others in the music education community.


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    • Episode 56 - Straight Talk on Student Centered Music Classes, with Tom Chester and Justin Johnson
    • Episode 41 - Empower Students to Practice with Purpose, with Katie LaBrie and Tracy Magwire
    • Episode 75 - From Student to Artist: The TAB Approach in General Music, with Emily Meyerson
    • Episode 33 - Fostering Independent Musicians, with Amy Rever Oberle and Lauren Staniszewski
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    27 mins
  • 80 - Creativity First: Encouraging Musical Exploration, featuring Steve Giddings
    Dec 2 2024

    In episode 80, we dive into the transformative world of creative music education with Steve Giddings, an innovative music educator and advocate for hands-on, student-driven learning. Steve shares his journey from traditional conservatory training to championing a more dynamic and accessible approach to teaching music. Through his experiences, Steve has developed techniques that encourage students to explore music through improvisation, creativity, and collaboration. Whether teaching rock bands, flipping Bloom's Taxonomy, or introducing new rhythms, Steve emphasizes making music education more about creating and less about replicating.


    Join us as we explore Steve's innovative classroom practices, from "moshing" warm-ups to using tools like Groove Pizza and GarageBand to compose original works. Steve also discusses the critical role of fostering a safe space for students to make mistakes, take risks, and discover their unique musical voices. This episode is packed with practical advice for educators looking to bring creativity into their classrooms and inspire students to see themselves as lifelong musicians. Don’t miss this engaging conversation with one of music education’s leading voices!



    • Website: https://www.stevesmusicroom.com
    • Rock Coach: https://amzn.to/4i9Ph2i
    • Creative Musicking: https://amzn.to/3Zk7mCm
    • Technology for Unleashing Creativity: https://amzn.to/3B8oNgV
    • Mikey’s Place: https://amzn.to/3ZbwI56


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    49 mins
  • 79 - Motivating Young Musicians: Exploring Self-Determination Theory, featuring Jessie Peterson
    Nov 18 2024

    In episode 79, we welcome Jessie Peterson, a dedicated middle school band director and a passionate advocate for fostering intrinsic motivation in music education. Drawing from her doctoral studies at Clemson University and her extensive teaching experience, Jessie delves into the transformative power of Self-Determination Theory in the classroom. She shares how the principles of autonomy, competence, and relatedness have helped her create an inclusive and empowering environment where students thrive. Whether it’s encouraging students to choose their own instruments or setting collaborative goals for performances, Jessie demonstrates how these strategies cultivate a love for music that lasts a lifetime.

    Tune in as Jessie shares practical insights, from utilizing sticker-based systems for mastery learning to fostering peer mentorship among students. Her creative approaches have not only expanded her band program dramatically but have also reinforced the value of music as a safe space for self-expression and growth. Whether you’re a seasoned educator or new to teaching, this episode offers valuable takeaways to implement in your own practice. Don’t miss Jessie’s heartfelt stories and actionable tips for building a connected and motivated musical community.


    Connect with Jessie and learn more:

    • Email - petersonjessielynn@gmail.com
    • Chris Ferguson website - https://www.cfergusonmusic.com/
    • Dan Pink - Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us - https://amzn.to/4ezsYQs


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    34 mins
  • 78 - Fostering Collaboration, Ownership, and Creativity in Music Class, featuring Taylor Morris and Sarah Duce
    Nov 4 2024

    In Episode 78, Theresa and Kathryn welcome Taylor Morris and Sara Duce, co-founders of the Gilbert Town Fiddlers. Taylor and Sara discuss their journey in music education and share how they have built an extracurricular program that fosters creativity, collaboration, and student ownership in music. Their organization, based in Gilbert, Arizona, teaches middle and high school students how to play and arrange music by ear, improvise, and work in ensemble settings. They emphasize giving students autonomy in music-making, allowing them to learn arrangement skills and make creative decisions in a democratic, collaborative environment.

    Taylor and Sara also explain how their experiences in music education have influenced their approaches as private teachers and orchestra directors. They discuss the importance of providing students with choices, encouraging self-reflection, and helping them build the confidence to express ideas. Both educators highlight the unique skills students develop through ensemble-led arrangements and how the experience allows students to connect deeply with their music. Taylor and Sara’s insights make this episode a valuable listen for educators interested in incorporating more student-led, creative processes into their classrooms.


    Connect with Taylor and Sara:

    • Website: https://www.gilberttownfiddlers.com/
    • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gilberttownfiddlers/
    • Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/gilberttownfiddlers
    • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/taylormorrismusic/
    • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/saraduceviola/

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    57 mins
  • 77 - Inspiring Young Musicians: Passion and Purpose in Music Education, featuring Stephen Cox
    Oct 21 2024

    In episode 77, Theresa and Kathryn sit down with Grammy Music Educator of the Year, Stephen Cox, as he dives into his unique approach to music education and his latest venture with the Willis Wonderland Foundation. Stephen shares insights from his 14-year teaching career in Texas, where he developed a progressive, student-centered approach to band programs, prioritizing student autonomy, joy, and intrinsic motivation. He also reflects on his journey toward empowering students to lead and make decisions, which transformed his music programs and resulted in both personal and collective growth for his students.

    Now, as part of the Willis Wonderland Foundation, Stephen is developing free songwriting resources to further his mission of making music education more accessible and engaging. The foundation, established to honor the legacy of renowned songwriter Allee Willis, provides teachers with tools to inspire students through songwriting and creative expression. Tune in to hear Stephen's inspiring thoughts on how progressive music education and creative freedom can transform not only classrooms but the lives of young musicians.


    Connect with Stephen and learn more about his work:

    • Website: https://stephentcox.com/
    • The Willis Wonderland Foundation: https://williswonderland.org/


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    58 mins