Jean and Glenn chat with India Oxenberg, author, producer, and activist whose escape from NXIVM is documented in the Starz series “Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult.” India was an executive producer on the series. India also shares her story in her memoir, “Still Learning.”

The conversations focusses less on the sensationalist aspects of her cult experience, and more on the self-help nature of NXIVM as an organization, and what attracted India to the group in the first place.

More about India:

India produces ‘Still Learning’ the podcast, which engages its audience with ongoing conversational advocacy through interviews with compelling guests. She is one of the founding members of Healix 180, an online healing hub for recovery. India is a supporter of psychedelic therapeutics and is passionate about public speaking. In 2020, she was awarded for her production work by WIN (Women's Image Awards) in 2022 by the Colleges in Beverly Hills as a "Champion for Children" for her advocacy for survivors.

By sharing her personal story, she helps to raise awareness about the insidious nature of coercion and psychological manipulation. India resides in Key West, Florida with her husband Patrick and their two cats. In her free time she enjoys immersing herself in the wellness community, cooking, painting and yoga.

Show Notes:

To Watch:
“Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult” on Starz
“The Vow” HBO Series about NXIVM

To Read:
“Still Learning” by India Oxenberg
“Captive” by India’s mother, Catherine Oxenberg
“The Program” by Toni Natalie

To Listen To:
Audiobook of India’s Memoir, “Still Learning”
Still Learning podcast, produced and hosted by India

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In this episode, Dr. Doyle and Jean return to the underlying discussion of the self-help industry and the flaws within it that drive SEEK Safely’s mission. It was after Kirby Brown’s death at the 2009 Spiritual Warrior retreat that the Brown family discovered some of the rot at the core of this multi-billion dollar industry. This drove the family to found SEEK Safely, recognizing that the impulse to seek is not the issue—it’s the unethical, unregulated self-help providers that are the issue and the source of potential harm. Empowering and protecting seekers has always been, and remains, SEEK’s ultimate goal.

Show Notes:

To Read:

Positive Imaging by Norman Vincent Peale

Tragedy in Sedona by Connie Joy

Cult Education Institute, website of Rick Alan Ross

Stanley Milgram Authority experiments

To Watch:

School House Rock: How a Bill Becomes a Law

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Read the memoir “This Sweet Life: how we lived after Kirby died” by Jean and her mom, Ginny Brown

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Previously on the Podcast, Anne Peterson introduced her new memoir, "Is This A Cult?" about her many years of involvement with Landmark. Anne joins the podcast again to discuss the response to her memoir, including a flood of messages from other ex-Landmarkians saying "same here!" Anne also shares what she's learned since her book launch that has given her even more clarity about her own experience and what needs to happen going forward to create a more ethical self-help industry.

SEEK is excited to share that Anne is launching the Safe Practitioners Workshop, an 8-session program for self-help practitioners and consumers, designed around the tenets of the SEEK Safely Promise. Sign up for one or all sessions here. The Workshop starts June 5th. Listen for more on what Anne sees as the SEEK Safely Movement.

A couple of corrections/clarifications to things said in the episode:
- We slightly misspoke on the specifics of the financial arrangements around the sale of WEA (Werner Erhard & Associates) to Landmark, and understated the amount. Here is the legal case in which the specific of the deal were reported: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/16/410/491724/
- We conflated The Goddard School with Bill Gothard IBLP religious schools discussed in the doc-series Shinny Happy People. The Goddard School is a private pre-school company with an excellent reputation and has no affiliation to the Gothard schools.

Mentioned on the Episode:
To Read:
"Is This a Cult: Confronting the Line between Transformation and Exploitation"

To Listen:
Previous Episode with Anne about her Memoir
Anne on A Little Bit Culty

To Watch:
The Program

To Learn:
ilumn8.life
The SEEK Safely Promise

Learn more about SEEK Safely on our website
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Read the memoir “This Sweet Life: how we lived after Kirby died” by Jean and her mom, Ginny Brown
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