In this episode of the Gareth and Sam chat to Professor John Barry (Queen's University Belfast) to explore the complexities of loyalism in Northern Ireland. The conversation delves into the definitions of loyalism, the class dynamics within the community, and the cultural cringe experienced by loyalists. Barry emphasises the need for education and community engagement to foster a more expansive understanding of Britishness that incorporates elements of Irishness. The discussion also highlights generational shifts in loyalist identity and the importance of self-reflection and proactive change within the community. The lads explore the complexities of identity in Ireland, particularly focusing on the intersection of loyalism and Irishness. Barry emphasises the need for stronger female voices within loyalist politics and discusses the cultural expressions that can empower communities. The dialogue also addresses the challenges of envisioning a New Ireland, the importance of democratic discourse, and the rising far-right sentiments in both Northern Ireland and the Republic. He calls for a more inclusive and sensitive engagement with loyalist communities and highlights the necessity of addressing socio-economic issues like housing.

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