Van welcomes Rev. Philip Jones to discuss the concept of love and its application in their respective fields. Van, who facilitates groups and educates people on design and problem-solving, saw a connection between loving God and loving one's neighbor. Philip agreed with Van's perspective and emphasized the importance of love in Jesus' teachings. They both acknowledged the challenges of maintaining love and unity in the face of current differing political opinions and animosity in our country. Van expressed concerns about the lack of factual information and the division it causes, particularly in political and social issues. Philip suggested a practical New Year's resolution to be deliberately loving. Philip and Van express concerns about the lack of agreement on what patriotism means and its implications for our country.

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Nate is the Head Pastor at Red Clay Creek Presbyterian Church https://rccpc.org/

Van is a Service Designer and Illustrator, and his work can be found at https://www.vansheacreative.com/