Tawny and Lisa share how they feel about the new presidential administration. They’re trying to balance the 24-hour news cycle, active resistance, and staying sober while continuing to find glimmers of joy. Feeling anger? Go for a run or hit a punching bag. Volunteer at a local organization or online. Exhausted? Nap. Play. Binge-watch your comfort show. As always, take care of yourself!

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Tawny and Lisa chat with best-selling author, Sari Botton. Sari’s memoir, "And You May Find Yourself: Confessions of a Gen-X Weirdo," is about finding yourself later in life. They discuss Sari’s recent newsletter about how bars and restaurants should embrace quality NA choices. Tawny and Sari also address the reality of pitches being rejected by traditional media outlets and why they bring those rejected stories to their newsletters. Sari publishes Sober Oldster, Oldster Magazine, Memoir Land, and Adventures in Journalism on Substack.

Music Minute features Free to Be You and Me and Joni Mitchell

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Tawny and Lisa talk about crying – why humans do it, how it works physically, and what it can mean emotionally. As we grow older, our patterns and triggers for crying evolve. Tawny is just learning to cry and Lisa is not much of a crier. They talk about situations when feel like they “should” cry, but it just doesn’t happen. And Tawny talks about the relationship between sadness to anger and how to work with it.

Music Minute features System of a Down, Rage Against the Machine, Limp Bizkit, Bob Marley, and Prince.

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Tawny and Lisa talk with Brian Cuban, a lawyer, writer and recovery advocate. He’s the author of four books, both memoir and fiction. His latest is The Body Brokers, a crime thriller that digs deep into the opioid epidemic. Brian is a groundbreaker in discussing eating disorders among professional men. In fact, 35% of people who struggle with eating disorders are men. They also talk about the co-occurrence of eating disorders and other addictive behavior.

Music Minute features Billy Joel.

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Tawny and Lisa talk with Lindsay Sutherland Boal, a coach, advocate, and the founder of both The Uncovery App and She Walks Canada, which support women overcoming problematic relationships with alcohol. They chat about gray-area drinking and the concept of “rock enough,” the acknowledgement that you don’t need a “rock bottom” crisis to quit drinking. The Uncovery App is dedicated to the pursuit of alcohol-free living through self-investigation and support. She Walks Canada organizes walks around the world to support recovery and foster community.

Music Minute features Lindsay’s opera career and tropical lounge music.

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On Instagram: @theuncoveryapp and @shewalkscanada

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Tawny and Lisa talk about the evolution of Dry January, including some Do’s and Don’ts. DO give yourself grace, journal about your experiences, find an accountability buddy and/or seek outside support, and stock your fridge for success with NA beverages. DON’T compare your relationship with alcohol to someone else’s, don’t expect to do Dry January “perfectly,” don’t try to take on too many other personal goals at the same time, and don’t overthink it.

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Tawny and Lisa talk about how the change of seasons, including Daylight Savings Time, effects them physically and emotionally. Seasonal Affective Disorder is real and they make space for it. But it also requires an acknowledgement that slowing down means giving themselves permission to be not as productive as usual.

Music Minute features Hanson, Limp Bizkit, The Four Seasons and Garbage.

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Tawny and Lisa celebrate 250 episodes with a light convo about what they’re reading, watching, and listening to. Tawny’s been going to live performances in NYC, including Julio Torres and LCD Soundsystem. She’s following Taylor Lorenz’s Substack and Hard Fork for tech news.

Read The Winner, Queenie, and Whoever You Are Honey

Listen to podcasts: La Culturistas, SmartLess, and Armchair Expert

On TV: Ru Paul’s Drag Race, Shrinking, Fanatical: The Catfishing of Tegan and Sara, and Only Murders in the Building

Music: The Dare, Charlie XCX and Chappelle Roan

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